Anfrage bei den national Archives Kew

[Thoddy]

SUPP 22/68 Spaced armour  1947 Jan 01-1947 Dec 31 
 SUPP 22/68  £13.05
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 29 £0.45 £13.05

SUPP 22/58 Characteristics of German armour, accuracy of information obtained during the war  1946 Jan 01-1946 Dec 31
 SUPP 22/58  £14.85
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 33 £0.45 £14.85

SUPP 22/43 Spaced armour assemblies depending for effectiveness on the break up of shot  1947 
SUPP 22/43  £6.30

ADM 281/31 No 4: ballistic performance of spaced armour assemblies 1946-1950
ADM 281/31  £19.00
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 30 £0.45 £13.50
 A2 Mono. prints (from digital scans) 1 £5.50 £5.50

ADM 213/367 Armour Technical Committee: report on item recorded at meeting in August 1946: German armour plates earmarked for trials to be carried out, experiments completed, and particulars recorded 1946
 ADM 213/367  £1.80
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 4 £0.45 £1.80


will sich jemand beteiligen

[Spee]

Servus Thoddy,

SUPP 22/58 Characteristics of German armour, accuracy of information obtained during the war  1946 Jan 01-1946 Dec 31  SUPP 22/58  £14.85 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 33 £0.45 £14.85
ADM 213/367 Armour Technical Committee: report on item recorded at meeting in August 1946: German armour plates earmarked for trials to be carried out, experiments completed, and particulars recorded 1946  ADM 213/367  £1.80
A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 4 £0.45 £1.80

Da wäre ich gern dabei.

[Peter K.]

@ DARIUS

Kennst Du oder jemand anderes dieses Heft?
Guide to the Naval Records in The National Archives of the UK
by Randolph Cock and N A M Rodger (eds)

Ja, ich habe dieses Teil ... damals um ziemlich reichlich Kohle erstanden! 

[AndreasB]

Evtl. kann Bruce Dennis die Sachen billiger beschaffen:

http://forum.12oclockhigh...et/showthread.php?t=17665

Man kann bei guter Planung an einem Samstag in Kew bis zu 1,200 Photos machen (weniger wenn es viele kurze Dokumente sind).  Der Wert davon ist ca. £550, bei Kopierkosten von £0.45. Dafuer kann man normalerweise nach London fliegen und eine Nacht im Hotel bleiben. Wenn man das richtig plant hat man dann zwei Tage in den Archiven, also sagen wir mal bis zu 2,000 Photos. Dokumente koennen vorbestellt werden (Bulk Order) wenn es sich um fortlaufende Nummern handelt.

Ich gehe morgen wieder hin. 

Alles Gute

Andreas

[Thoddy]

Danke für das Angebot

Bestellt Ende April:

SUPP 22/42 (£8.95) "Vulnerable area diagrams armour plate versus AP projectiles"
ADM 253/118  (£17.70) "Job 74 trial: 1000lb contact charge against starboard bulge"
ADM 281/31 "No. 4: ballistic performance of spaced armour assemblies 1946-1950"
ADM 213/367 " Armour Technical Committee: report on item recorded at meeting in August 1946: German armour plates earmarked for trials to be carried out, experiments completed, and particulars recorded 1946"
SUPP 22/68 "Spaced armour 1947 Jan 01-1947 Dec 31"
SUPP 22/58 " Characteristics of German armour, accuracy of information obtained during the war 1946 Jan 01-1946 Dec 31"
SUPP 22/43 " Spaced armour assemblies depending for effectiveness on the break up of shot  1947"


noch brauchbar aus meiner sicht
ADM 281/37 "No 10: ballistic performance of non-cemented, cemented and face-hardened armour under attack by decapped projectiles ... 1946-1950"
= 12.70£
ADM 281/40 "No 15: comparative performance of modern (1946) and old (1923) cemented armour 1946-1950"
= 21.45£
ADM 253/119 "Job 74 trial: 1000lb charge against starboard bulge"
= £9.45
ADM 253/130 " Job 74 trial: second 1000lb contact charge against starboard bulge"
= £4.50
ADM 116/3594
"Vulnerability of British warships to torpedoes and bombs: Job 74 experiments 1935-1937£57.15
A3 Mono. copies    127 x £0.45
= £57.15

rund 100 Pfund
weitere Interessenten die sich gern beteiligen würden?

[AndreasB]

Danke für das Angebot

Ist nicht meins, nur um das klarzustellen. Ich habe damit nichts zu tun, weiss nur das er das anbietet.

Alles Gute

Andreas

[Thoddy]

folgende Teile sind nunmehr bei mir eingetroffen

SUPP 22/42 (£8.95) "Vulnerable area diagrams armour plate versus AP projectiles"
ADM 253/118  (£17.70) "Job 74 trial: 1000lb contact charge against starboard bulge"
ADM 281/31 "No. 4: ballistic performance of spaced armour assemblies 1946-1950"
ADM 213/367 " Armour Technical Committee: report on item recorded at meeting in August 1946: German armour plates earmarked for trials to be carried out, experiments completed, and particulars recorded 1946"
SUPP 22/68 "Spaced armour 1947 Jan 01-1947 Dec 31"
SUPP 22/58 " Characteristics of German armour, accuracy of information obtained during the war 1946 Jan 01-1946 Dec 31"
SUPP 22/43 " Spaced armour assemblies depending for effectiveness on the break up of shot  1947"

Besonders interessant siehe Bild
Test 3728A entsprechende Panzeranordnungen sind im angelsächsischen Decksschutz weitverbreitet


Im übrigen wurde meiner Meinung ist ein nicht ausreichender Abstand zwischen den Platten festzustellen, so daß die Schutzwirkung des spaced Arrays nicht voll zur Wirkung kommt

Das "spaced Array" der Bismarck klasse insbesondere die Schutzwirkung Horizontalschutz wird hier nicht explizit behandelt, die Feststellungen treffen jedoch auch zu.

[Thoddy]

neu Bestellung ausgelöst

ADM 281/37 "No 10: ballistic performance of non-cemented, cemented and face-hardened armour under attack by decapped projectiles ... 1946-1950"
= 12.70£
ADM 281/40 "No 15: comparative performance of modern (1946) and old (1923) cemented armour 1946-1950"
= 21.45£
ADM 253/119 "Job 74 trial: 1000lb charge against starboard bulge"
= £9.45
ADM 253/130 " Job 74 trial: second 1000lb contact charge against starboard bulge"
= £4.50
ADM 116/3594
"Vulnerability of British warships to torpedoes and bombs: Job 74 experiments 1935-1937£57.15
A3 Mono. copies    127 x £0.45
= £57.15


wer sich beteiligen will bitte ich um Information

derzeit bin ich auf der Suche nach einem Report der Briten über die SK 38, die Informationen samt vermutlich vollständigen
Unterlagen sind offenbar bei Übernahme der SK 38 Batterien in Esbjerg und Hanstholm in die Hände der Briten gefallen

die alten Reportnummern kann man bei der heutigen Systematik leider nicht mehr wiederfinden, falls jemand Tips hat wäre ich dankbar für jeden Pieps.

[Thoddy]

Für folgende Dokumente habe ich eine Preisabfrage gestellt

ADM 229/38 - Effects of bombs and underwater explosions on ships (1920-1928)
WO 195/8515     Design Committee: German heavy coastal batteries     1945
WO 195/8819    Anti-Concrete Committee: full-scale tests on German heavy gun emplacements in Calais-Boulogne area    1945
DEFE 15/1693     German 40.6cm armour piercing projectile capped with ballistic cap     1946
ADM 281/36     No 9: ballistic performance of various compositions of deck armour and effects of homogenising     1946-1950
ADM 281/37    No 10: ballistic performance of non-cemented, cemented and face-hardened armour under attack by decapped APC shell    1946-1950
ADM 281/38    No 11: effect on ballistics performance of deck armour of omitting surface planing    1946-1950

[Thoddy]

Kleine zwischen Preisinformation


ADM 229/38 - Effects of bombs and underwater explosions on ships (1920-1928)
£268.85
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 465 £0.45 £209.25
 A2 Mono. prints (from digital scans) 1 £5.50 £5.50
 A1 Mono. prints (from digital scans) 1 £14.70 £14.70
 A0 Mono. prints (from digital scans) 2 £19.70 £39.40


WO 195/8515     More informationGun Design Committee: German heavy coastal batteries     1945
£66.85
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 63 £0.45 £28.35
 A2 Mono. prints (from digital scans) 7 £5.50 £38.50
WO 195/8819    More informationAnti-Concrete Committee: full-scale tests on German heavy gun emplacements in Calais-Boulogne area    1945
£39.70
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 76 £0.45 £34.20
 A2 Mono. prints (from digital scans) 1 £5.50 £5.50

DEFE 15/1693     More informationGerman 40.6cm armour piercing projectile capped with ballistic cap     1946
Can’t be localized

ADM 281/36     More informationNo 9: ballistic performance of various compositions of deck armour and effects of homogenising     1946-1950
£22.70
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 26 £0.45 £11.70
 A2 Mono. prints (from digital scans) 2 £5.50 £11.00
ADM 281/37    More informationNo 10: ballistic performance of non-cemented, cemented and face-hardened armour under attack by decapped APC shell    1946-1950
Can't be ordered
ADM 281/38    More informationNo 11: effect on ballistics performance of deck armour of omitting surface planing    1946-1950
£4.95

[Thoddy]

mal zum Schnuppern was mit 15 inch Granaten passiert, wenn sie entkappt bei 25-30 Grad Auftreffwinkel (90Grad = senkrechter Aufschalg) auf eine Panzerung treffen

[Thoddy]

Derzeiot habe ich eine neue Preis-Anfrage laufen
falls jemand interessiert sein sollte.

DEFE 15/1693 German 40.6cm armour piercing projectile capped with ballistic cap

DEFE 15/200 Part C: armour piercing projectiles 1946

DEFE 15/1460 German 8.8cm flak.41 armour piercing projectile capped with ballistic cap ammunition (with addendum)

DEFE 15/190 German heavy coastal batteries  1945 

DEFE 15/247 German gun design; survey based on the interrogation of German scientists and designers  1947 

DEFE 15/253 German artillery equipments; 12.8 cm Flak 40 and 15 cm SKC 28 m platforms  1946 

DEFE 15/354 Determination of effect of gun-target distance and of plate presentation on the critical velocity of armour plate  1947 

DEFE 15/410 Investigation into suitability of plastic cements for attaching penetrative caps to armour piercing shot and methods of measuring strength of attachment  1948 

DEFE 15/452 Fundamental investigation into optimum hardness for capped armour piercing shot: part II  1950 

DEFE 15/454 Performance of AP projectiles against armour protected by skirting plates  1949 

DEFE 15/462 Penetration, part VIII; perforation of thin steel plates by fragments striking at oblique angles  1950 

DEFE 15/474 Variation in penetrative performance of AP (steel) capped projectiles of varying head shapes, against armour  1950 

DEFE 15/490 High obliquity attack of deck targets: part III  1951 

CAB 106/1181 Coast artillery: report on action against a German convoy including the war-ships "Scharnhorst", "Gneisenau" and "Prince Eugen". 1942

WO 195/8515 Gun Design Committee: German heavy coastal batteries 1945

WO 196/27 Engineer Survey of Heavy German Coastal Batteries in the Calais-Boulogne Area: report by Lt Col H.H.C. Withers

DEFE 44/98 JIB report on selected German coastal batteries in France 1946

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Falls jemand von den Konsorten noch nicht alle angefragten alten Teile bekommen hat bitte noch mal melden Danke

[Peter K.]

falls jemand interessiert sein sollte

... bin ich! 

[Thoddy]

Preise

DEFE 15/354 Determination of effect of gun-target distance and of plate presentation on the critical velocity of armour plate  1947
 DEFE 15/354  £3.15
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 7 £0.45 £3.15 

DEFE 15/452 Fundamental investigation into optimum hardness for capped armour piercing shot: part II  1950
 DEFE 15/452  £12.60
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 28 £0.45 £12.60

DEFE 15/474 Variation in penetrative performance of AP (steel) capped projectiles of varying head shapes, against armour  1950
 DEFE 15/474  £24.05
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 29 £0.45 £13.05
 A2 Mono. prints (from digital scans) 2 £5.50 £11.00

DEFE 15/490 High obliquity attack of deck targets: part III  1951
 DEFE 15/490  £13.05
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 29 £0.45 £13.05

CAB 106/1181 Coast artillery: report on action against a German convoy including the war-ships "Scharnhorst", "Gneisenau" and "Prince Eugen". 1942
 CAB 106/1181  £1.35
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 3 £0.45 £1.35

WO 195/8515 Gun Design Committee: German heavy coastal batteries 1945
  WO 195/8515  £68.20
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 66 £0.45 £29.70
 A2 Mono. prints (from digital scans) 7 £5.50 £38.50

rund 120 Pfund
werde ich bestellen

nachrangig

DEFE 15/253 German artillery equipments; 12.8 cm Flak 40 and 15 cm SKC 28 m platforms  1946
 DEFE 15/253  £19.45
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 31 £0.45 £13.95
 A2 Mono. prints (from digital scans) 1 £5.50 £5.50 

DEFE 15/410 Investigation into suitability of plastic cements for attaching penetrative caps to armour piercing shot and methods of measuring strength of attachment  1948
 DEFE 15/410  £9.10
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 8 £0.45 £3.60
 A2 Mono. prints (from digital scans) 1 £5.50 £5.50

DEFE 15/454 Performance of AP projectiles against armour protected by skirting plates  1949
 DEFE 15/454  £60.55
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 49 £0.45 £22.05
 A2 Mono. prints (from digital scans) 7 £5.50 £38.50   


DEFE 15/462 Penetration, part VIII; perforation of thin steel plates by fragments striking at oblique angles  1950
 DEFE 15/462  £18.00
 A3 Mono. copies (from original documents) 40 £0.45 £18.00

[Peter K.]

... hat sonst wirklich keiner Interesse an diesen interessanten Dokumenten?