Lütjens auf Prinz Eugen

[Ortwin]

Hallo Leute,

Ich hätte da eine sehr spezifische Frage: Admiral Lütjens hat vor dem Auslaufen von Bismarck und Prinz Eugen eine Parade auf der Prinz Eugen abgenommen. Weiß vielleicht jemand wann genau das war?

Grüße

Ortwin

[t-geronimo]

Lt. Schmalenbach:
18.5., Gotenhafen, 10:30 Uhr: Flottenchef Adm. Lütjens an Bord, schreitet die Front der in Divisionen an Deck angetretenen Besatzung ab.

Laut KTB war er aber wohl schon ab 10 Uhr an Bord.
11.12 Uhr läuft PG dann zu Fahrübungen mit BS aus, da wird er also wohl wieder weg sein.

[Peter K.]

... guckst du hier: http://www.kbismarck.com/archives/

EDIT: Ohhh, THORSTEN war schneller ... 

[Ulrich Rudofsky]

Die KTB's von BS und PG stimmen hier ueberein.  Aber die Eintraege um 10.00 Uhr bedeuten nicht, dass Luetjens erst um Punkt 10.00 an Bord kam. Nach F.O. Buschs Beschreibung schritt er sofort die Front ab nachdem er "mit elastischen Schritten" die Stelling herauf kam. [Prinz Eugen im ersten Gefecht, 1943]

http://kbismarck.com/archives/index.html

[Antonio Bonomi]

Ciao all,

very interesting to notice on the several photos available of that  inspection  by Admiral Lutjens on board Prinz Eugen are the   Prinz Eugen turret tops.

You can in fact very easily notice that the upper turrets  flat surfaces only of  the Prinz Eugen are coloured with a very light colour ( probably yellow ), covered with canvas too and fixed with ropes, in order to protect the  view from RAF airplanes.

You can see it both on photos as well as on the PG Rheinubung film.

Now  that was  just few days before Op. Rheinubung  started and Prinz Eugen sailed with that upper turrets colour as proven with Norwegian photos after.

Very interesting,.. if you than think Bismarck tops,....... colours,......

           Ciao  Antonio 



     

[Ulrich Rudofsky]

Wieso denkt Antonio, dass die Turmdecken im Mai 1941 auf PG gelb sind?  Why does Antonio think the turret tops on PG are yellow in May 1941? 


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/urudofsky/PGFig.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/urudofsky/PGFig.%2010.jpg

[Ortwin]

Sehr ausführlich!!!! Vielen Dank!!! Ortwin

[t-geronimo]

Uli, die Links zu den Bildern hättest Du ruhig stehen lassen können.
Nur die IMG-Funktion sollte weg, damit die Bilder hier nicht direkt im Beitrag zu sehen sind.

Auf Deine Frage kann ich Dir aber auch keine Antwort geben.

[Antonio Bonomi]

Ciao all,

those are  the photos demonstrating that  Prinz Eugen did have the  upper flat surfaces of the turrets painted with a very light colour ( Yellow - Gelb )  on May 18th, 1941m during Adm Lutjens inspection as you can see clearly.

In fact you can notice under the canvas covers used to protect the colour, that  some  spots are  still well visible and the colour under the canvas cover is very light and will not make any sense at all to cover a light grey, .. so it can be only yellow ( GELB ), that in fact was the colour mostly used on that period  for Luftwaffe spotting ( reference Op. Berlin-2  by  SH and GU ).

There are also clear photos of PG taken in Grimstad Fjord and Kalvanes bay after,  showing  the same thing from an aerial view, but I cannot post those as they are from private collections and not owned by me.

Hope now my  Prinz Eugen coloured schemes are more clear to everybody..... 


What about the Bismarck now ..........      

     Ciao Antonio 

[Ulrich Rudofsky]

Antonio: aber waren die Turmblachen rot oder dunkel grau oder gruen?  But were the turret canvas covers red or dark grey or green? 

[Antonio Bonomi]

Ciao Ulrich,

to tell you the truth I really do not know exactly which colour they were.

I suppose they were light grey, just to  uniform the upperwork ship colour.

Very interesting to notice also that on Prinz Eugen they were fixed with ropes aside,..and it is the only time I saw that, normally they were just placed on without fix.

Same thing they did with the swastika banner when they wanted to cover it for few hour avoiding to re-colour it ( they did this on Kalvanes bay ),..than if was the case to remove it for a longer mssion ( Rheinubung on Atlantic ocean period ),.than the repaint was necessary.

On Tirpitz for example in Norway sometimes they used mimetic canvas covers, brown and green,.. too.

   Ciao  Antonio 

[Herr Nilsson]

In fact you can notice under the canvas covers used to protect the colour, that  some  spots are  still well visible and the colour under the canvas cover is very light and will not make any sense at all to cover a light grey, .. so it can be only yellow ( GELB ), that in fact was the colour mostly used on that period  for Luftwaffe spotting ( reference Op. Berlin-2  by  SH and GU ).

Hallo Antonio,


Schmalenbach disagrees about yellow turret tops (page 3: II.a):

Schmalenbach Letter


I think we should first clarify the function of the canvas covers. You postulate that it is for covering the shade of colour of the turret tops. Is there no other possible explanation? And why not light grey?

[Ulrich Rudofsky]

How about this explanation:  The canvas covers were medium grey (feldgrau) and dark grey when wet.  They were used primarily to protect the rangefinders and also to make the turret tops non-reflective to enemy aircraft.