Hallo Leute, ich glaub ich schicke mal vorweg, warum ich mir anmasse ueber Springsharp zu reden, als kenne ich mich aus:
Ich verwende es seit 1.0 und bin mittlerweile einer der beta-Tester. Ich hab auch lange Zeit drueben in
Wesworld Iberien gespielt und von der Korvette bis zum Schlachtschiff alles damit simuliert.
Und Huszar, nimm's mir nicht uebel, aber in Deinem Design sind n paar boese Schnitzer, vor allem einer.
Rick Robinson, der Mann auf dessen Algorithmen SS basiert, schrieb ueber das Simulieren von Traegern:
Carriers. Spring Style is designed for ships armed
primarily with guns, but carriers become important from the
end of World War I on. Here is a method for simming carriers:
Design the ship as you normally would. Put in as much
"miscellaneous weight" as you can - that will usually
determine how big an airgroup your CV can carry. Now,
get out your pocket calculator. You'll make two pretty simple
calculations, each of which gives a possible airgroup limit.
1) Take the square root of miscellaneous weight; e.g., if
miscellaneous weight is 10,000 tons, the weight-based limit
for your carrier is 100 aircraft. (In addition, allow at
least 25 tons per aircraft, i.e., if miscellaneous weight
is just 100 tons, your ship can carry 4 planes, not 10.)
2) Multiply length x beam (both waterline) and divide by 750;
e.g., if your CV is 900 ft x 100 ft, the space limit is 120
aircraft.
For the metric gang, divide by 70 instead; if your CV is
280 metres x 30 metres, the size limit is also 120 aircraft.
Use waterline dimensions (if available), NOT flight deck
dimensions; they can vary a lot more, and we want a
consistant rule.
Der letze Absatz ist hier wichtig. Dein Design sagt folgendes:
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 18,04 ft / 5,50 m
- Mid (29 %): 18,86 ft / 5,75 m (38,55 ft /
11,75 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (5 %): 18,04 ft / 5,50 m (38,55 ft /
11,75 m before break)
- Stern: 17,22 ft / 5,25 m
-
Average freeboard: 32,11 ft / 9,79 mDas wiederum fuehrt zu so Merkwuerdigkeiten wie:
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
und
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,89
-
Longitudinal: 2,86- Overall: 1,00
was leider voelliger Humbug ist.
Ausserdem ist bei der Panzerung leider auch der Wurm drin:
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7,87" / 200 mm 459,32 ft / 140,00 m 11,48 ft / 3,50 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 1,97" / 50 mm 442,91 ft / 135,00 m 11,32 ft / 3,45 m
Main Belt covers 98 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
1,57" / 40 mm 492,13 ft / 150,00 m 22,15 ft / 6,75 m
Oberer Panzer und Torpedoschott laenger als Guertel? neee neee.
Wenn ich das alles mal korrigiere, sieht der Fleuzer so aus:
Otto Lilienthal, Deutschland Fleuzer laid down 1938
Displacement:
19,945 t light; 20,684 t standard; 22,935 t normal; 24,735 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
740.22 ft / 718.50 ft x 75.95 ft (Bulges 81.86 ft) x 26.25 ft (normal load)
225.62 m / 219.00 m x 23.15 m (Bulges 24.95 m) x 8.00 m
Armament:
6 - 9.45" / 240 mm guns (2x3 guns), 420.00lbs / 190.51kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, all forward
14 - 5.04" / 128 mm guns (7x2 guns), 61.00lbs / 27.67kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
30 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (12 mounts), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 3,406 lbs / 1,545 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 140
8 - 17.7" / 450 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 459.32 ft / 140.00 m 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 1.97" / 50 mm 459.32 ft / 140.00 m 11.32 ft / 3.45 m
Main Belt covers 98 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces
- Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
1.57" / 40 mm 459.32 ft / 140.00 m 22.15 ft / 6.75 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.09" / 180 mm 3.54" / 90 mm 7.48" / 190 mm
2nd: 0.47" / 12 mm 0.16" / 4 mm 0.98" / 25 mm
3rd: 0.20" / 5 mm - -
4th: 0.20" / 5 mm - -
- Armour deck: 3.35" / 85 mm, Conning tower: 1.97" / 50 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 116,339 shp / 86,789 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 12,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,051 tons
Complement:
931 - 1,211
Cost:
£8.495 million / $33.981 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 432 tons, 1.9 %
Armour: 5,685 tons, 24.8 %
- Belts: 2,173 tons, 9.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 593 tons, 2.6 %
- Armament: 500 tons, 2.2 %
- Armour Deck: 2,385 tons, 10.4 %
- Conning Tower: 34 tons, 0.1 %
Machinery: 3,186 tons, 13.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,343 tons, 32.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,990 tons, 13.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 3,300 tons, 14.4 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
30,105 lbs / 13,655 Kg = 71.4 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 4.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 17.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 59 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.25
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.03
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise aft of midbreak, low quarterdeck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.520
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.78 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.84 kts
Power going to wave formation at
speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 18.04 ft / 5.50 m
- Mid (29 %): 18.04 ft / 5.50 m (18.86 ft / 5.75 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (5 %): 17.22 ft / 5.25 m (18.86 ft / 5.75 m before break)
- Stern: 17.22 ft / 5.25 m
- Average freeboard: 19.04 ft / 5.80 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137.0 %
Waterplane Area: 38,530 Square feet or 3,580 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 122 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 128 lbs/sq ft or 625 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 1.01
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
und noch weiter zum Flugzeugbestand.
Rick sagt:
1) Take the square root of miscellaneous weight; e.g., if
miscellaneous weight is 10,000 tons, the weight-based limit
for your carrier is 100 aircraft. (In addition, allow at
least 25 tons per aircraft, i.e., if miscellaneous weight
is just 100 tons, your ship can carry 4 planes, not 10.)
2) Multiply length x beam (both waterline) and divide by 750;
e.g., if your CV is 900 ft x 100 ft, the space limit is 120
aircraft.
For the metric gang, divide by 70 instead; if your CV is
280 metres x 30 metres, the size limit is also 120 aircraft.
Punkt 2 gilt fuer richtige Flugzeugtraeger, es soll m.E. de Hangar simulieren. Daraus folgt, dass wir das fuer den Fleuzer adjustieren muessen! Huszar hat den midship break zu 29% gesetzt, also bleiben uns 219*23,5*0,71/70 = 52 als maximum hier.
Ich habe bei meinem Entwurf das misc. weigth auf 3300 t gesetzt, davon geht Einiges fuer die Schnellboote weg. Wenn wir Schnellboote von 40t annehmen, gehe ich mal (und das ist zermutlich zu niedrig gegriffen) davon aus, dass die Vorrichtung zum hantieren mit den Dingern das 1,5-fache wiegen und veranschlage somit 100 t je Schnellboot. Bleiben uns 2900 t, Quadratwirzel davon ist 53,8. Und 2900 durch 25 ist 116, der Kahn kann also laut SS 52 Flugzeuge tragen. ich weiss, dass das gegen einige Annahmen im Fleuzer-Thread und auc gegen harolds Zeichnungen vestoesst. Ich lass mich nach dem Essen mal im Fleuzer-thread darueber aus
