Hello My name is Sergey. I am interested in submarine U 864 IX D2 sunk in 1945! That what I know about her she was carrying a cargo: Drawings and parts of rocket fighter Me 163 twin-engine fighter and the Me 262. Also on board were U 864 signed contracts confirming the right of Japan to manufacture these aircraft, 1857 tanks with mercury! Please tell me the news list is loaded 864 U you ask. On board were U 864 band passengers are German and Japanese aeronautical engineers. Please tell me how many passengers on board the U 864? Their names and their position? And my second question: submarine U 234 was carrying refined uranium for Japanese nuclear bomb. Lieutenant Commander Shoji Genzo, an aircraft specialist and former naval attache. Please tell me he was in Japan since the war began? Or arrived in Germany on a submarine? Was there a purified uranium on board U 864? And were there any German submarines something that carried refined uranium to Japan at the end of the war? I hope you are interested in my topic. I look forward to your responses. With respect to you, Sergei
http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=109403
Le gouvernement norvégien va renflouer le U-864 car celui-ci contient 67 tonnes des mercure, produit très dangereux pour l'environnement.
Du type IX D2, le U-864 a été lancé en août 1943. Long de 87 mètres pour
un déplacement de 1800 tonnes en plongée, le sous-marin pouvait atteindre 19 noeuds en surface et embarquait 22 torpilles.
U 864:Passengers:
- Lt. Rolf v. Chlingensperg [deputy chief of Project Bureau Messerschmitt AG]
- Lt. Riclef Schomerus [Chief of Aerodynamic Project Bureau Messerschmitt AG]
- Kptlt. Plass
- Kptlt. Hahndorf
- Mtr.Gefr. Franz Türk (for he was already 37 years old, it is presumed that he was a specialist of some sort, too)
Besides the bottles with mercury, there are suspicions that also a Me 163 in parts was on board (for U 234 had a Me 262 in parts on board).
Moreover blueprints for a
"Campini aircraft", a
"Caproni submarine" (for there were no aircraft or submarines carrying such names, it is likely that these were codewords for some sort of secret cargo) and Siemens Radar-blueprints for a
"Satsuki submarine". This was the Japanese codeword for the German type IX U-boats.
Further were 30 containers with "treated water", i.e. presumably heavy water (Deuterium (D) - or ²H) on board. Whether there was also Uranium Oxyd on board (as on U 234) is not known.
Source: Günther W. Gellermann,
Geheime Reichssache - Geheime Kommandosache. Rätselhafte Fälle aus der Zeit des Zweiten Weltkrieges, E.S. Mittler & Sohn, Hamburg - Berlin - Bonn 2002, pp. 30 - 32
U 234:There were two Japanese Navy Officers on board:
- Fkpt. Tomonaga (U-Boat expert; had come on board U 180 to Germany)
- Fkpt. Shoji (aircraft engine specialist)
On board were:
- 560 kg Uranium Oxide (U235)
- a Me 262 in parts
- jet engine parts
- optical instruments
- 100 Leica cameras
- modern anti-tanks weapons
There is a book written by a crew member: Wolfgang Hirschfeld,
Das letzte Boot. Atlantik farewell (http://www.amazon.de/Das-letzte-Boot-Atlantik-Farewell/dp/380041192X)
Source: Günther W. Gellermann,
Der andere Auftrag. Agenteneinsätze deutscher U-Boote im Zweiten Weltkrieg, Bernard & Graefe, Bonn 1997, pp. 98 ff.
Servus,
Moreover blueprints for a "Campini aircraft", a "Caproni submarine" (for there were no aircraft or submarines carrying such names, it is likely that these were codewords for some sort of secret cargo)...
Campini aircraft (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campini-Caproni_C.C.2) gab es wohl! "Caproni submarine" könnte sich auf die Typen "CA", "CB" oder "CC" beziehen, ebenso wäre das Projekt "Sandokan" denkbar. Alles U-Boote der Firma "Caproni".
Servus (Graf) Spee :wink:
Danke für die interessanten Hinweise. Dies war Gellermann offenbar nicht bekannt, als er sein Buch schrieb. Leider ist er schon 2002 verstorben, so daß er es nicht mehr erfahren wird. :cry:
Gern geschehen :-) .
Italienische Technologie der Zeit ist nicht sonderlich bekannt, teilweise zu recht (Panzer :cry: ), andererseits aber auch ganz schön weit vorn im internationalen Vergleich.
Zu U 864 gibt es einige Spiegel-Artikel und ein kurzes Video online:
http://www.spiegel.de/video/video-16048.html
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-50424607.html
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,455547,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,465373,00.html
Hello Thank you very much for your answers. Prompt please Lieutenant Commander Shoji Genzo one of the passengers U 234. As he was in Germany he was in Germany from 1939 that is before the Second World War? Or he arrived by train on the Trans-Siberian Railway from 1939 to May 1941? Or he arrives in a submarine? Japanese Second Lieutenant Commander Hideo Tomonaga arrived at the Japanese submarine I 29 in the Indian Ocean, and there transferred to a German submarine U 180. And as in Germany, arrived Lieutenant Commander Shoji Genzo? Was in Germany before the Second World War? He arrived by train from 1939 to May 1941? Or, also arrived on a submarine? I look forward to your responses. With respect to you, Sergey
By the way the U 864 were two Japanese passengers: Japanese torpedo expert Tadao Yamoto, and Japanese fuel expert Toshio Nakai. C respect to you, Sergey
Zitat von: siono am 25 Juli 2011, 18:04:29
[...] Lieutenant Commander Shoji Genzo one of the passengers U 234. As he was in Germany he was in Germany from 1939 that is before the Second World War? Or he arrived by train on the Trans-Siberian Railway from 1939 to May 1941? Or he arrives in a submarine?
Sorry, I don't know when Shoji arrived in Germany and how long he stayed here.
Sonar Photo wreck see Gallerie :MG: