Schnellboote

[Urs Heßling]

moin,

Great stuff

Ich war noch nicht damit zufrieden und habe mich noch einmal drangesetzt

[alo41]

Hi,
There is a serie of photos showing the 7 SFtl transfer from the Batic to the Med on Ebay de. Some have text that can be both true and false.

The first photos shows a typ S 151 boat training with typ S 18 boats, masts, no marking. It must be summer 1942. I first thought the larger boat could be Artillerischulboot FUCHS that is mentioned for S 151 and S 152 in HMA. I can not get the details to match so I now think it is another boat. Do anyone know?

The boat (the same?) is shown by a large building. Do anyone know where? Swinemünde, Travemünde, Sassnitz.... There is alsa a leutnant that could be the boat commander on the reste of the photos. Ltn Sven Rautenberg S 153?

It looks like all the photos are from the same roll. The text is wrong as the Typ S 18 boats did not go to the Med.

/Alo

[alo41]

Hi,

Next is two photos of typ S 151 boat in a floating dock with a Luftwaffe officer visiting. There is one more typ S 151 boat in the background. The Kriegsmarine officer is a Ltn (or Obltn?). The boats are still white. The mast used during the training is still in place.

It must be one of the five boats in the 1. Gruppe being prepared for trip to the Med in Aug/Sep 1942.
S 151, S 152 and S 153 were prepared in Wilhelmshaven
S 154 and S 155 were prepared in Kiel.

Is it possible to say if it is Wilhelmshaven? Ltn/Obltn does not fit with S 154, S 155 and Kiel.
(S 156, S 157 and S 158 were delivered directly from the Gusto warf for the trip via Amsterdam)

/Alo

All data from the HMA.

[alo41]

Hi,

S 151, S 152, S 153, S 154 and S 155 left Wilhelmshaven on 9 Sep 1942 and tried to go to Hoek van Holland and the Rhine. Bad weather forced them to go to Emden and use the Dortmund Ems Kanal instead.

I found out, by going through all churches along the rout, that one of the photos was taken in Steinbild. HMA can than tell us that it was on the first day on Ems (10 Sep 1942). The boats are now camouflaged as river boats. They have been painted black, the torpedo tubes have been covered and an outhouse and a round tub has been put on the deck.

One photo shows two men ("Räuber Zivil" clothes). The text says one should be (ObFhr) Heye. It could be Heyes boat S 152 that were suposed to be commanded by Lt Marxen during the transfer to the Med. Who is Heye?

One photo probebly shows S 155 with rudder problems. It would then be on 11 Sep

All photos had text saying it is on the Ems or Dortmund Ems kanal.

[Urs Heßling]

moin,

  

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Hi

S 151, S 152, S 153, S 154 and S 155 reached the Rhein (Duisburg?) on 12 Sep 1942.
The crew has civilan clothes. There is no mast or Winkerstand so they are using a flag pole to make signals. Note the covers over the torpedo tubes.
It could be Heye and Marxen in S 152.

[alo41]

Hi,

The turist snap shots makes it possible follow the 7 Sftl boats on the Rhein. The original texts with the photos were generaly wrong. I have gone through all the sights and then matched them with the information in HMA.

/Alo

 

[alo41]

Hi,

There are three photos with the text Ems Dortmund kanal Mittelmeer. They are probebly from the Rhein Rhone kanal, Saone or Rhone.
The photo with the flag probebly shows the new Reich border with France. It is somewhere between lock 13 and 3 (HMA) west of Dammerkirch/Dannemarie.
I have not managed to find where the other two are from. Anyone knows?

/Alo

[alo41]

The boat (the same?) is shown by a large building. Do anyone know where? Swinemünde, Travemünde, Sassnitz.... There is alsa a leutnant that could be the boat commander on the reste of the photos. Ltn Sven Rautenberg S 153?

Hi,

I found this place. Überland-Centrale Eichstaden (Swinemünde). It fits well with the other photos. Thanks for the good work in this old thread: https://forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php?topic=18973.15

/Alo

[alo41]

Hi,

The last 7 SFtl photos.

The first photo with the civilan realy tricked me. I thought it was an clear example of an typ S 151 boat with a letter marking on the side in the Med.
It is actually an typ S 18 photographed from the bridge of an typ S 151 boat. The "letter" is probebly a part of a uniform or something. It is probebly taken in the Baltic with a warship in the back ground. Swinemünde?

There is then photos showing the boats outside Africa.

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

moin,

The last 7 SFtl photos.

noch einmal Danke  

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Thank you Urs,

There is a set of photos said to be 1 SFtl 1943/44.  Link: https://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2332490.m570.l1313&_nkw=Foto+WK+II+Wehrmacht%2C+Kriegsmarine+1.+Schnellboot+Flottille&_sacat=0

I think all the photos are showing the same boat based on details. The boat is a typ S 38 and has a split middel wind screen. It was typicly the boats ~S 69-S 79 that were built with this split.

I thought the boat then could only be S 72 ( 1 SFtl, split wind screen).

I then found that photo no 4 (crew man with the 2 cm gun) also has the Überland Zentrale in Swinemünde in the back ground. S 72 was never in Swinemünde (HMA)!!!

I need more information to understand what is wrong.

* It looks like photo 1-4 are from the same roll in autumn/spring in Swinemünde.
* Where is photo 5? It looks like a ferry landing. There are 4 (M-?)Boote in the background. Swinemünde?
* Photo 6 looks like winter. They have a mast (training?). What is the big drum stoved in front of the torpedo tube?
* Photo 7 and 8 are from the same place boat and time. Photo 7 was said to be 2 SSchulFtl that would fit with 1944 (photo 6 is said to be 1 SFtl! Both can not be correct!) Where is it. Rotterdam?

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

moin,

The first photo with the civilan realy tricked me. ... It is probebly taken in the Baltic with a warship in the back ground.

Ich habe immer noch nicht herausfinden können, was für ein Schiff das war ... mit einem 10,5 cm-Geschütz ?

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

moin,

The first photo with the civilan realy tricked me. ... It is probebly taken in the Baltic with a warship in the back ground.

Ich habe immer noch nicht herausfinden können, was für ein Schiff das war ... mit einem 10,5 cm-Geschütz ?

Hi Urs,
I think the two photos now could be the same boat (but it does not have to be). My best guess is a Minensuchboot model 1916. The masts fits well with M 513. The singel black strip painted on the side of the boat is in the same possition as on M 107 von der Groeben's camouflage. The gun could also fit. The two photos are probebly from some other but similar 1916 Minensuchboot (they are all diffrent).

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

moin, Ola,

My best guess is a Minensuchboot model 1916.

Hecht (ex M 60) ist als Zielschiff beim Torpedo-Übungsschießen der 7. S-Fltl (27.- 29.7.1942) im KTB verzeichnet.
Zu diesem Zeitpunkt waren die Typ S 18-Boote noch bei der 7. S-Fltl, im August wurden sie an die Schulflottille abgegeben.
Allerdings sieht Hecht in der Skizze in Gröner, DDK, Bd. 2, datiert 1938, deutlich anders aus (Aufbau auf dem Achterdeck).
Das Achterdeck des fraglichen Schiffs ist recht lang (mM kein Zerstörer oder Torpedoboot)
Könnte (!) es Tanga sein ?

Gruß, Urs