Does anyone have a drawing showing this destroyer in her original Yugoslavian configuration or (better yet) the planned conversion by the Regina Marina in 1941-42?
Any sketch/drawing/photo of a model is appreciated!
Thanks!
Dave G
Hello Dave,
in my database I have this two articles in journals:
Tajemniczy niszczyciel Split; Adam Smigielski; Morze, Statki i Okrety; 2007/2; Split ; Zerstörer; Jugoslawien
Dlugie narodziny niszczyciela Spilt; Zvonimir Freivogel; Okrety Wojenne; 16; Split; Zerstörer; Jugoslawien
I´ll look if there´s any requested drawing.
Regards
Darius
dann noch:
Enrico CERNUSCHI, Vincent O'HARA: The Star-Crossed Split: the Troubled Story of an Unlucky Flagship; Warship 2005
:MG:
Darius
Danke Darius :TU:)
Enrico
Hi Dave,
on non-existence Warship Projects forum we have discussed this in length. There was also very short topic on SPLIT on Paluba: http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php/topic,12016.0.html
If you use Google translate you can still try to read FOW (in Polish) about SPLIT: http://fow.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=106
Basically as far as I am aware (based on discussion with Freivogel) the original drawings of SPLIT have not survived (or were still not found ;) ).
So we can only try to reconstruct. Indeed in article by Enrico there is a drawing by Maurizio Brescia however I'm not sure on what basis it was drawn.
Hope that helps!
All the best,
Andrzej
Archivio Ufficio Storico della Marina Militare, Roma, Fondo Supermarina Scacchieri esteri, Maridalmazia, Busta 7, fascicolo 156 "Esploratore jugoslavo Spalato".
Enrico
Good afternoon,
actually some original (French) plans still exist, here the top view of how SPLIT would have been if completed as the original drawing.
The Brescia/Cernuschi article is a base from where a research on SPALATO/SPLIT can start but there are some very big mistakes, especailly regarding the original Yugoslav armament and later the planned Italian armament and also about the engine configuration. Tosi provided the complete power plant of the rebuilt postwar SPLIT while for SPALATO, OTO Leghorn supplied it that was already onbard on Italian armistice.
Best regards
Marco Ghiglino
Incredible! Is there a profile as well?
Thank you :sonstige_154: :sonstige_154: :sonstige_154:
Dave
WoW :-o
Absolutely amazing Marco! Have you published your findings already somewhere where we can read about SPLIT original design?
Do you have the longitudinal view?
Hello Crolick and Dave,
Thanks alot for the compliments, I'm preparing a short article with drawings that I will probably publish in AIDMEN bulletin next year, after that it will be available online on AIDMEN website/forum www.aidmen.it
Exist also a longitudinal view (not the external profile view) of SPLIT but the paper is very old and is difficult to publish it, it is almost unreadable. I will try to elaborate it in CAD for a better view.
I'm still looking for the drawing of the Italian final project but for the moment I cannot find it anywhere, I have only some abstract with not so many particulars.
MG
:TU:)
:MG:
Darius
Meine Glückwünsche
And this weekend I was going to start the model. This is well timed indeed!
Dave
From the drawing provided I conjecture there are some similarities between the Split and the earlier Beograd
(https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/ships/destroyers/yugoslavia_beograd_destroyer-65702.jpg)
Dave
From the Paluba forum. at the bottom is a photo that is possibly the Split at the end of the war
http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php/topic,6500.405.html
Dave
Hello Dave,
the general layout of the original SPLIT was very similat to the BEOGRAD class, she was meant to be larger and the biggest modification were: the lone funnel and the superior AA armament. As it was seen by the Italian technician this drove to a very poor stability vessel.
MArco
Hey - I've tried to draw SPLIT from the drawing which Marco kindly attached.
I'm more than sure that it have hell lot of mistakes but at least this is some starting point for further discussion :O/S
The dimensions are as in the original drawing so the proportions should be correct. I would not draw any definite conclusions from the attach drawing but it seems that there would be serious issues with overweight (especially in the bow and stern).
(http://images81.fotosik.pl/152/3c2b693f4a0cecd4m.gif) (http://www.fotosik.pl/zdjecie/3c2b693f4a0cecd4)
Enjoy!
Andrzej
And I am almost done with a 1/1200 master of the Spalato for casting:
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15940458_1210554182315920_2668300279873346863_n.jpg?oh=5cd41c91f12bee7feca10b627f29b0ce&oe=592999F6)
Dave G
:TU:)
Darius
Very well done!!!!
Thank you! I need to make the time to finish her!
Hello Marco,
Any outlook on the article and the profile drawing?
Dave G
Hello Dave,
at the moment I'm a bit under pressure finishing a big work about the camouflage of Italin ships in WW2 (about 500 ships profiles :-o)......but as soon it will be finished, I think I will have time at least to complete a draft profile.
Best regards
Marco Ghiglino
at the moment I'm a bit under pressure finishing a big work about the camouflage of Italin ships in WW2 (about 500 ships profiles :-o)
Oh, do tell me more...is this a new work?
Dave
Here is the book announced:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Italian-Naval-Camouflage-World-War/dp/1526735393/ref=pd_sim_14_6?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=FMX0DT3FWHY620J8T6RA (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Italian-Naval-Camouflage-World-War/dp/1526735393/ref=pd_sim_14_6?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=FMX0DT3FWHY620J8T6RA)
Looks like there are a lot of new facts, the first one in the announcement :-D :-D :-(:
"When Italy entered the War in June 1942"
Photo showing unfinished hull of Split around 1943
Dave G
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Jb6oMFoEMpr7B-oXXw4kteTuq_4fAtdv0N8LV3Hd7WNE5xDlG-TwHz597xosNNTkKL60pCsDqYAgzj3x8H-v67Mspdjn9Pafo9xJI9f1WuSaw4RzZyLZaSgQVZKAWtCpWwGLdbC8n7LzWxvSgl52h4GDQ_WjfxYZZtPIzXVpvli2aYVe4w5baeXlNigEIuiisuzGBDxp1jKLncnWgvpPWRr0jlH2SLFsUJXULVrLzyBet4bTHQI2Hd1ebuejI5_aBfUYQlPxs8VCB_xEFMAyvT3MrGhWG4RyhN67FsB2L346owr-hC6MYuI6ZvQ6hZYhyMy1VJ5V-U17gZzWvoGVNwlzwjs407qRoSp5Z3THe1y8nuxShWLAHUv_5KAmJ5mxZ20KsL2kbNjN9Qb4cRoRZDliXqAaMA4o9WPiUeAJMUzxrcJXcdrs9mlAYi4ZLKgGLUdGEzL6IB4IvEFvYznRmcHmI7B737H3Em0RMWAqsgh9tnqpEhYqYqoodnJOROdltB6OlMuVH_sUA1B1Ik2mChvi2MPFe2R4Ee1IJAY_A_BjJZLEyh-kQtrxg_GzgsC36C-dDyh5nyeWhe_1-0fM_0MpAjxbwoVIRDYC-A=w891-h662-no)
Hello Dave,
the link doesn´t work sufficiently.
:MG:
Darius
Zitat von: kgvm am 07 April 2018, 13:33:47
Looks like there are a lot of new facts, the first one in the announcement :-D :-D :-(:
"When Italy entered the War in June 1942"
Klaus you cannot imagine how many times I fought to change it.....also on the back cover of the book there is that mistake. That presentation phrase was not made by me but by Seaforth...... :-D :-D
Hmm.... I will have to try something else.
Zitat von: Darius am 08 Juli 2018, 21:30:28
Hello Dave,
the link doesn´t work sufficiently.
:MG:
Darius
Please find attached :O/S
Dzienki.
:MG:
Darius
I never was able to find another sharing site for my picture but that showed the ship from straight on the bow and with a crane in the way.
This photo is different and far better then the one I found. Is there a date for this?
Dave G