Schnellboote

[Erich~]

yes the Blue cap was worn with the white dress as well as the KM tropical dress from fotos.

[Urs Heßling]

hi, Erich,

welcome back after 10 months break 

greetings, Urs

[Erich~]

many thanks Urs, silly cancer has gotten me down for sometime, I really need to check the whole "neu" seite again.  Also I received your private message and will act on it.  Good to see friend Alo here as well.

Erich ~

[alo41]

Hi Erich,

Nice to see you here as well.

I think I have found someting new.
One schnellboot with the FuMO 81 Berlin-S. Can it be S 302, 8 May 1945.

Link: http://forum.atlantik-pirat.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=268&start=90

The only FuMO 81 photo I have found is from Prinz Eugen.

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

hi, Alo,

Can it be S 302, 8 May 1945.

Das Bild ist vom 10. Mai, Kommodore Petersens Abschlußmusterung in Gelting.

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Hi Urs,

The FuMO 81 boat is not S 302 (a FuMO 81 test boat acording to Hans Frank). She was in Norway in May 1945.

I think there are also two boats armed whith 2 cm Flak Vierling guns.

/Alo

[alo41]

Hi,

I think the Petersen photo is taken on the Schnellbootbegeitschiff Herrmann von Wissmann. There is a singel 10,5 cm gun in front of him and a Zwilling 3,7 cm Flak behind him.

I understand that the other Begleitschiffe had other guns in May 1945.

Tsingtau: Two 8,8 cm
Carl Peters: Two Zwilling 10,5 cm
Tanga: ?
Buea: Diffrent afterdeck

There is a lot of diffrent data for the guns on the net. Do anyone know more?

/Alo

[Peter K.]

... in fact it was TSINGTAU!

[alo41]

Hallo Peter K,

That is what the books says but I now think that it is wrong. The Schnellboote shown does not match the document stating it to be Tsingtau.

We made the conclusion here: Link:  http://forum.atlantik-pirat.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=268&start=105

/Alo

[Peter K.]

I am not a member of the linked forum, but take a look there:

[alo41]

Peter K,

Yes, I know that document. The thing is that the photo shows someting els. Most probebly the first surender of all units in the NW Germany, Denmark and Holland on 5 May.

My post on Atlantik-Pirat:
"I base my information on Hümmelchen page 218.

5 May 1945
The boats in Kurland: 19 Kalotte boats from 1, 5 and 2 S-SchulFtl and Tsingtau.

The boats in Gelting on 5 May: 26 boats from 8, 9, 10 and 3 S-SchulFtl, Hermann von Wissmann, Tanga, Carl Peters and Buea. There were probebly also 6 boats from 1 and 5 S-Ftl that did not go to Kurland. Total 32 boats and 4 Begeitschiffe. (som of these were probebly out of order)

The Geltinger boats:
Typ S 18: S 19, S 20, S 21, S 24, S 25 All with 3 S-SculFtl, all 5 on the photo.
Typ S 38, Typ S 38c: S 50, S 95, S 107, S 108, S 115. Boats know not having the Kalotte. All with 3 S-SchulFtl. All 5 in the photo.
Typ S 38b (Kalotte added): S 68, S 97, S 122. Boats know to having the Kalotte. All with 3 S-SchulFtl. 12 Kalotte boats in the photo.
Typ S 100 (Kalotte): S 215, S 228, S 305, S 196, S 227 from 8,9 and 10 S-Ftl. S 208, S 708, S 306, S 132 from 1, 5 S-Ftl. 12 Kalotte boats in the photo
Not known (Typ S 38/S 38b): S 65, S 98, S 110, S 82, S 101, S 105, S 113, S 118, S 120, S 123.

Conclusion:
1. The 3 S-SchulFtl and one or more S-Ftl must be on the photo.
2. There were at least 12 Kalotte boats in Gelting not counting the Kurland boats
3. There is at least two Begleitschiffe on the photo.

Based on this I say the the photo is not showing the Kurland boat on the 11 May 1945. It is 3 S-SchulFtl and boats from the remaining S-Ftl. probebly on May 5 1945."

/Alo

[Peter K.]

... nice research! 

[Urs Heßling]

hi, Alo,

There were probebly also 6 boats from 1 and 5 S-Ftl that did not go to Kurland.
...
Not known (Typ S 38/S 38b): S 65, S 98, S 110, S 82, S 101, S 105, S 113, S 118, S 120, S 123.

von der 5. S-Fltl: S 98, S 110;   alle anderen gehörten zur 3. Schulflottille, S 65 unklar, ob 5. S-Fltl oder 3. Schulflottille.

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Thank you both,

The "Not known" boats are also unclear to me if they had a Kalotte added or not. I suspect that the low hundreds boats (S 101, S 105...)were still typ S 38 and the other ones were S 38b. Do anyone know more?

I still wonder if anyone have a photo of Hermann von Wissmann to prove the witch ship Petersen was on? Witch Begleitschif is next to the right? Tanga?

Some post war photos of Wissmann when she was renamed le Kamina.

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

hi, alo,

I suspect that the low hundreds boats (S 101, S 105...)were still typ S 38 and the other ones were S 38b. Do anyone know more?

I presume that, among us, you yourself are the man with the best knowledge of that

greetings, Urs