Schnellboote

[alo41]

Thanks PS,

There is only one building left standing today on the photo you linked to.

There are at least two rolls of film showing 1 SSchulFtl in Oslo, March 1944.
The boats are marked "D", "E", "F", "G", "H", "K", "L" and "R".
HMA has them as S 50, S 82, S 95, S 103, S 105, S 109, S 118 and S 123.

The film rolls shows the boats in Oslo taking on visitors. The camera man goes on the "E" boat with Norwegian police soldiers(?). After a trip they go back to Oslo and clean the boats.

I have tried to sort the boats out before but not getting it right. I think now with HMA and all the photos it is possible get it right

E must be S 50 based on the removed armor plating. See photo with attachment points.
F must be S 109 based on the typ S 100 Kalotte.
D must be S 82 based on the Bofors gun.
H is S 95 based an the armor plates and no zwilling MG
L is S 105 based on Winkerstand details
G is S 123 based on the single rear window and armor plate
K is probably S 103 based on old details
R is then S 118

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

moin,

E must be S 50 based on the removed armor plating. See photo with attachment points.
F must be S 109 based on the typ S 100 Kalotte.
D must be S 82 based on the Bofors gun.
H is S 95 based an the armor plates and no zwilling MG
L is S 105 based on Winkerstand details
G is S 123 based on the single rear window and armor plate
K is probably S 103 based on old details
R is then S 118

Sehr gut

Gruß, Urs

[PS]

with Norwegian police soldiers(?)

Not police. From the NS, "Hird" uniforms.
regards
PS

[PS]

Hello
Some photos from digitalt museum in Norway
3 photos from Marineholmen, the naval base in Bergen, Norway, some danish S-boats in 1953, one from Tigerverband, and a unkown.
regards
PS
https://digitaltmuseum.no/021018375675/motiv-3-e-bater-ved-kai-marineholmen

https://digitaltmuseum.no/021018891904/motiv-e-bater-langs-kai-ved-marineholmen/media?slide=0

https://digitaltmuseum.no/021018891903/motiv-e-bat-eldre-type-ved-kai-marineholmen/media?slide=0

https://digitaltmuseum.no/021018892077/motiv-trolig-danske-torpedobater-e-bater-langs-siden-av-det-danske-depot

https://digitaltmuseum.no/011015240977/tyskere-tysk-motortorpedobat/media?slide=0

https://digitaltmuseum.no/011012659260/torpedobat-bilder-tatt-av-tyske-soldater-under-krigen

[alo41]

Thank you PS.

Great photos.
The third photo "e bat eldre typ" is probably taken at the same time as my center photo (Tiger Ftl paint) in post #1410 this tread. Link:https://www.forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php/topic,18105.1395.html

Is anything know about the marking B 11, B 12 and B 13 on the second photo?

The E 2 marking on the first photo is explained as S 302 here. Link: http://www.foerderverein-museums-schnellboot.de/s-boote/norwegische-marine/sboote-norwegen.htm

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

moin,

The E 2 marking on the first photo is explained as S 302 here. Link: http://www.foerderverein-museums-schnellboot.de/s-boote/norwegische-marine/sboote-norwegen.htm

Nach meinen Informationen war es S 303
In der im Link aufgeführten Liste ist S 27 (+ 5.9.1942 SM) zu streichen

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Hi Urs,

Yes I agree.
Sven Storegaard writes in "Tyske S-Boote i sövärnets tjenste 1947-66" that E1 was S 302 and E2 was S 303.
The S 27 is probably a mix up with S 21 that is already in the list.

There is also a "B 91" marked boat said to be S 302 on the Förderverein web page.

You ought to tell Kalle S.

/Alo

[PS]

Hello

Is anything know about the marking B 11, B 12 and B 13 on the second photo?

I have not much to add, but there is something mentioned at this norwegian site:https://www.sjohistorie.no/no/skip/541950/default

After the war, the Navy took over 15 of these boats as booty. 9 of these were restored and used.
In the Navy, they were given the prefix B in front of the pennant number.
In 1950, all were deleted from the fleet list, and 6 of these were later transferred to the Danish Navy.

regards
PS

[Urs Heßling]

moin,

You ought to tell Kalle S.

Schon gemacht.

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Hi,

The Norwegian numbers are then a bit unclear. It looks like S 195 has a foot rest on the side of the Kalotte. The S 302/303 boats has a handle.

My speculations:
Three 8 SFtl boats (S 195, S 302 and S 303) that capitulated in Norway were left there (to be used by the Allied forces like in Bremerhaven?). All other boat were taken to Wilhelmshaven for the split between the Allies. The E1-3 was then an Allied marking (E-boat 1-3?). The Norwegian B 1-10 marking was probably used by the 10 Fairmile D boats. The E 1-3 boats were then renumbered to B 11-13. The rest of the Schnellboote probably also got B numbers (B 14-25?). It looks like the B 91 boat has the same foot rest as S 195. It is probably not S 302. Could be the spare part boat S 196 (or a renamed S 195?).


S 195   E 3   B 11
S 302   E 1   B 12/13
S 303   E 2   B 13/12

S 196   -      B 91                    Link B 91 Schnellboot: http://www.foerderverein-museums-schnellboot.de/s-boote/norwegische-marine/blink-klasse.htm

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

moin, Ola,

gut spekuliert aber es bleiben Fragen ... die wir vielleicht nicht mehr beantwortet können.

Link B 91 Schnellboot: http://www.foerderverein-museums-schnellboot.de/s-boote/norwegische-marine/blink-klasse.htm

Tja.
1.) Die obere Skizze "S 38" stimmt natürlich nicht, da sie wie die untere (sie sind gleich) ein Boot der Serie S 100 zeigt.
S 38 -Boote mit nachgerüsteter Kalotte hatten einen rechtwinkligen Übergang zum Deck
(wie oft habe ich das eigentlich schon geschrieben ??  )

2.) Der Kriegsverlust S 27 (+ 5.9.1942 SM) ist auch hier aus der Liste zu streichen

3.) Textdifferenz : Strandeten Kvikk und Snar nun im Winter 45/46 oder im Winter 48/49 ?

4.) Link-Text : Da S 98 ein Boot der Serie S 38 und S 210 ein Boot der Serie S 100 war, müßte man an den beim Tauchen gefundenen Kalotten eigentlich einen Unterschied (siehe Punkt 1 oben) feststellen können ...

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Hi,

The faulty S 38b (nachgerüsteter Kalotte) information probably originates from the first edition of "Schnellboot in action" booklet. It is corrected in the updated version.

I had a look at the last of the digitalmuseum photo. I first thought it might be the "M" boat in 1 S-SchulFtl but it is not. The "M" looking shape that can be seen is just a window with something white in front of it.
The split middle front wind screen is typical for the Lürssen boats around ~S 75. This makes it probably one of the 6 SFtl boats (S 69, S 71 S 73-76) in Norway 1942.

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

moin,

https://digitaltmuseum.no/021018891904/motiv-e-bater-langs-kai-ved-marineholmen/media?slide=0

Wenn ich es richtig sehe, ist "B 12" ein Boot vom Typ "S 38" (mit nachgerüsteter Kalotte), "B 11" und "B 13" vom Typ "S 100"

https://digitaltmuseum.no/021018891903/motiv-e-bat-eldre-type-ved-kai-marineholmen/media?slide=0

Das sind zwei Boote mit nachgerüsteten 37 mm (?)-Geschützen

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Hi Urs,

Yes I think you are right. B 12 is probably a S 38b. I first thought it was just the dodgers and the hull that was painted in the same color. The air intakes and the length of the wheel house are also different.

Yes, the two typ S 10 boat are up gunned with the old 3,7 cm guns. You can also se the Zwilling MG on the front deck.

/Alo 

[Urs Heßling]

moin, Ola,

The faulty S 38b (nachgerüsteter Kalotte) information ...

Yes I think you are right. B 12 is probably a S 38b.

Diese Bezeichnung gab es in der Kriegsmarine nicht

Es ist eine von Modellbauern eingeführte Bezeichnung für S 38-Boote mit nachgerüsteter Kalotte, und sie ist in Literatur und Internet leider weit verbreitet

Gruß, Urs