MGB-335

[cam]

Hello!
What happened to the MGB-335 after it was captured by the German S-boats in action 11/09/1942?

[TW]

Following Gröner/Jung/Maass Vol.2., p.147 it was badly damaged towed to Den Helder.
No more informations given. I suppose "total loss".
Greetings, T.W.

[cam]

I know that it was renamed SA-10, and were going to use for experiments.

[TW]

Most interesting.
I suppose, you've got more informations than we did.
In Gröner DDK Vol. 2 we can find SA1 to SA9, and (in the 2nd edition) also SA12 auf. (cf. http://www.forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php/topic,21252.msg237937.html#msg237937)
What source is giving the information about SA10 (ex MGB 335) ?
And do you know anything about SA11?
Best regards
Thomas

[redfort]

I know that it was renamed SA-10, and were going to use for experiments.

Aus welchen Quellen wurde diese Information denn bitte herangezogen. Laut Gröner ist diese Information nicht gegeben.

(From what sources that information was used for. According Gröner this information is not given.)

Ups: Thomas war schon schneller , sorry.

[cam]

I know that it was renamed SA-10, and were going to use for experiments.

Aus welchen Quellen wurde diese Information denn bitte herangezogen. Laut Gröner ist diese Information nicht gegeben.
(From what sources that information was used for. According Gröner this information is not given.)
Ups: Thomas war schon schneller , sorry.

http://navyworld.narod.ru/sb18.htm
SA 10
Английский артиллерийский катер (Motor Gun Boat) MGB 335 заложен, спущен,
вступил в ВМС Великобритании 3 октября 1941, 11 сентября 1942 тяжело поврежден артиллерийским
огнем германских кораблей, захвачен и 11 сентября 1942 отбуксирован в Ден-Хелдер,
использовался в опытовых целях.

[Urs Heßling]

hi, cam,

... использовался в опытовых целях.

I'm sorry, but that can not be viewed as a reliable source.

greetings, Urs

[cam]

I agree. But no other information. So I asked the question, can someone knows more.

[Urs Heßling]

hi, cam,

there may be more in the KTB FdS of September and October 1942, but I don't have that.

greetings, Urs

[cam]

hi, Urs,
In the KTB FdS probably not about the fate of a captured MGB-335. There may be how it was captured.
Here is a link to the report FdS
http://s-boot.net/sboats-km-channel42.html
On 11.09.1942 the returning boats bumped into a MGB group of three boats. During the developing gun fight "MGB 335" was so heavily damaged that it was abandoned, the other MGBs escaped. "MGB 335" was towed in, signal book, mine charts, radio and radar equipment were captured. The new 40-mm-gun on  "S 117" had proven totally worthful. However, there had been hits on all German boats and on "S 62" and "S 80" there were five heavily and five lightly wounded on "S 78" there were two wounded and one in the 6. SFltl.
The FdS requested as a consequence of this fight reinforment of the brigde armouring (Scull-bridge = Kalottenbrьcke) and equipment with 40-mm-guns as well as Funkmess- (radar) and Funkmessbeobachtungsgerдte (ESM).

greetings, CAM

[TW]

I want to fix one thought.
The "Gröner" did not know anything about SA12 before it's 2nd Edition.
If there really existed SA12, then it seems obvious to me that there had been SA10 and SA11, too.

http://navyworld.narod.ru/sb18.htm says:
SA10 = MGB 335
SA11 = MGB 361
SA12 = MTB 345

Why do you, Urs, qualify navyworld.narod.ru as no reliable source?
A agree, it is no primary source, but why not reliable ?
Best regards
Thomas

[Urs Heßling]

moin, Thomas,

Why do you, Urs, qualify navyworld.narod.ru as no reliable source?
A agree, it is no primary source, but why not reliable ?

Wie oft hast Du mir bei meinen Textverbesserungsvorschlägen zur Chronik die Antwort gegeben, eine (1) "website" sei keine zuverlässige Quelle ?

Das ist auch hier der Fall. Ich sehe keinen Quellennachweis zu Primär- oder Sekundärquellen, ergo ... 

Außerdem erbrachte eine Stichprobe, daß die Informationen zum auf der website dargestellten Schnellboot S 511 (siehe meinen Beitrag über Schnellbootflottillen (hier: 24.) zu Renés "Flottillen in der Ägäis" im HMA) leider falsch sind.
Die Verlustposition ist falsch, die Insel Makronisi bei Levitha wurde mit der berüchtigten KZ-Insel Makronisos bei Athen (aus der Zeit des Obersten-Regimes) verwechselt und dann wird dem Boot noch eine weitere Vergangenheit in der Marine der "Sozialistischen Republik Italien" angedichtet.

.. und daß S 501 - S 504 nach der Übergabe an Rumänien noch den Weg zurück nach Linz gefunden haben sollen, werde ich nicht ungeprüft in meine Schnellbootsdatei übernehmen 

Das reicht mir

Gruß, Urs

[cam]

There are a lot of questions.
I have seen reports that on the captured the MGB-335 Germans saw the radar!
That's impossible! On MTB and MGB radars began to set only in 1944. I read a report  commander group MGB Lieutenant Thorpe, where he writes that the monitoring was conducted only visual and acoustic when the stopper stroke.

[Darius]

Hi,

in der Anlage paar Infos zur Erbeutung MGB 335 & der Auswertung der Beutematerialien aus diversen KTBs.



Darius

[TW]

Super Anlagen, Darius. 
Und schön, dass Du wieder bei uns bist.
Herzlicher Gruß,
Thomas