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Titel: SG18 Ex- Le Gladiateur
Beitrag von: PT Dockyard am 29 April 2017, 15:32:25
Are there any images available of this ship as she was configured in German service?

(http://www.themodelshipwright.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/gladiateurC005.gif)


One site described her as being converted to an "anti-aircraft escort."

Vielen danke!

Dave @ the PT Dockyard
Titel: Re: SG18 Ex- Le Gladiateur
Beitrag von: Adrien am 29 April 2017, 22:20:01
Hello,

Yes, the SG 18 ex Le Gladiateur had to armed as anti-aircraft by the German Navy but this work has never been completed. It was sunk in February 1944 during an air attack. Here is a picture of Le Gladiateur in 1943.

Greetings
Adrien

Titel: Re: SG18 Ex- Le Gladiateur
Beitrag von: PT Dockyard am 30 April 2017, 00:54:44
Thank you! :TU:)
Titel: Re: SG18 Ex- Le Gladiateur
Beitrag von: Urs Heßling am 30 April 2017, 10:33:52
hi, Adrien
Zitat von: Adrien am 29 April 2017, 22:20:01
Here is a picture of Le Gladiateur in 1943. 
alongside the scuttled Strasbourg ? .. or is ist Dunkerque ?

greetings, Urs
Titel: Re: SG18 Ex- Le Gladiateur
Beitrag von: de domenico am 30 April 2017, 11:01:47
The Firma Mario Serra was charged with the salvage of STRASBOURG at the appontements 6 East of the Milhaud basin, work starting from 6.4.1943 with the dismantling of the aftermost structures (catapult, hangar, axial turrets). She was refloated on 17.7.1943 and on 8.8.1943 beached in the  South-East grand dock. The same Firma was also charged with the salvage of  LE GLADIATEUR in the submarine darsena: she was refloated on 30.3.1943 and delivered to the Kriegsmarine for refitting by the DIN. Sunk (capsized) at the Quai Nord  Traverse Amiral on 6.2.1944 following damage during the Allied air attack of 4.2.1944. Raised in May 1947 for breaking up.
Titel: Re: SG18 Ex- Le Gladiateur
Beitrag von: Adrien am 30 April 2017, 12:03:26
Hello Urs,

Yes, it is the Strasbourg who is alongside of Le Gladiateur.

Greetings
Adrien
Titel: Re: SG18 Ex- Le Gladiateur
Beitrag von: t-geronimo am 30 April 2017, 12:22:50
Gröner, "Die deutschen Kriegsschiffe", führt SG 18 als ex-französischen Aviso Chamois. Irrt Gröner hier?

Gröner, "German Warships", mentions SG 18 as ex french Aviso Chamois. This is wrong?
Titel: Re: SG18 Ex- Le Gladiateur
Beitrag von: redfort am 30 April 2017, 12:57:19
Zitat von: t-geronimo am 30 April 2017, 12:22:50
Gröner, "Die deutschen Kriegsschiffe", führt SG 18 als ex-französischen Aviso Chamois. Irrt Gröner hier?

Gröner, "German Warships", mentions SG 18 as ex french Aviso Chamois. This is wrong?

Hi Thorsten,
weiss ja nicht welchen Gröner die hast aber schau mal bitte im Bd. 2 S. 118 ff nach.
Da findest du das SG 18 als Flakkorvette  "Le Gladiateur" (1944)  !

Unter Aviso Chamois heißt es das die Nummernzuteilung nicht nachgewiesen ist.  ;)
Titel: Re: SG18 Ex- Le Gladiateur
Beitrag von: Adrien am 30 April 2017, 12:58:49
Hello Thorsten,

No, Gröner is right. The Aviso "Chamois" became SG18 in September 1943 while it was under repair in Toulon. He was sunk in Toulon during an air attack on 24 November 1943 before being repaired (see KTB 6.Sicherungsflottille). At the moment, "Le Gladiateur" had not been renamed. "Le Gladiator" was named SG18 in January 1944.

Greetings
Adrien

Titel: Re: SG18 Ex- Le Gladiateur
Beitrag von: t-geronimo am 30 April 2017, 15:15:02
@ Adrien:
Thanks for clarification.  :TU:)

@ redfort:
Mein Band 2 ist von 1999. Auf Seite 118 ff sind Torpedoboote Ausland.

Bei mir ist SG 18 Chamois auf Seite 138.
Hätte Ich aber bis auf S. 140 geblättert, hätte ich auch SG 18 Le Gladiateur gefunden...  :BangHead:
Titel: Re: SG18 Ex- Le Gladiateur
Beitrag von: PT Dockyard am 30 April 2017, 20:41:57
Just curious- is the KTB 6.Sicherungsflottille online somewhere?

Thanks,
Dave
Titel: Re: SG18 Ex- Le Gladiateur
Beitrag von: t-geronimo am 30 April 2017, 22:29:03
I have it from 04.12.1942-15.07.1944.

What do you need?
Titel: Re: SG18 Ex- Le Gladiateur
Beitrag von: PT Dockyard am 07 Mai 2017, 02:26:11
Nothing specific, just curious of mention of some of the smaller craft.

Thanks!

Dave