Gents,
Does anyone have any definitive names and timeline of the above ship? Trawling the internet says:
Schnelles Geleitboot "SG 3 Jupiter" - ex frz. "Sans Pereil"
Schnelles Geleitboot "SG 4 Saturn" - ex frz. "Sans Pereil"
Schnelles Geleitboot "SG 4 Merkur" - ex frz. "Sans Peur"
Erich Gröner states:
Named Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus Merkur; 1942 the order was changed Merkur, Uranus, Jupiter, Saturn:
SG 1 ex Sans Peur
SG 2 ex Sans Reproche
SG 3 ex Sans Souci
SG 4 ex Sans Pareil
Also any idea who the Schiff Kmdt. was?
FP Nr. M 50237 - 6. Vorposten-Flottille SG 4.
Screenshot 2025-08-19 113800.png
Thanks in advance!
Ian
This explains a little bit better .....
http://www.luftwaffe-zur-see.de/Kdo.Schiff/DatenBergung/Saturn.htm
Still can not find the Kmdt. though.
/Ian
SG 1 Kptlt.d.R.z.V. Lehmann, anschließend in Vertretung Oblt.z.S.d.R. Heinz (SG 1 Werftliegezeit im März 1944)
SG 3 Kptlt.d.R. Rudel (März 1944)
SG 4 Kptlt. Haackert (März 1944) -> während seines Urlaubs übernahm Kptlt.d.R.z.V. Lehmann das Kommando
Quelle: KTB 6.Vorpostenflottille (https://s3.amazonaws.com/NARAprodstorage/lz/dc-metro/rg-242/315246058/T1022/T1022-3716/T1022-3716.pdf) NARA T1022 ROLL 3716
Im Mai 1943 sind folgende Kommandanten aufgeführt:
SG 1 KorvKpt.z.V. Graf zu Rantzau (6.1942-6.1943)
SG 2 KorvKpt.d.R. Gelpke
SG 3 Kptlt.d.R. Rudel
Thank you very much Thomas top
/Ian
Another fan of these ships! I am delighted!
Thanks TW for the KTB of the 6.Vorpostenflotille!:MG:
Would you be having the previous KTB of 1942 and 1943 and also the KTBs of the 4.Vorpostenflotille? That would be of a great help, I try to work on these ships too!!
Are plans of these ships available? Either as German SG or as French aviso postwar?
I found some KTB on NARA thanks to Thomas. Number 3713 to 3716. Do I have it all?
Concerning the plans I don't know. I am not sure that there was any Atlas de coque created for these ships as they weren't finish before the armistice.
Maybe the navy yards at Saint Nazaire kept some stuff.
Zitat von: Paloupalou am 21 August 2025, 22:08:11I found some KTB on NARA thanks to Thomas. Number 3713 to 3716. Do I have it all?
Hi Paloupalou
You should download and consult NARA GUIDE No.4:
https://www.forum-marinearchiv.de/ablage/nara/Guide_No_4_Records_of_German_Navy_Operational_Commands_in_World_War_II.pdf
Vorpostenflotillen beginning on page 72
Best regards, Thomas
P.S. You have only to insert ROLL NUMBER on two places in the NARA address, instead of xxxx:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/NARAprodstorage/lz/dc-metro/rg-242/315246058/T1022/T1022-xxxx/T1022-xxxx.pdf
Outstanding! I thank you very much!!!
Hallo,
in a French collection exist a photo just after the war with the following painting aft - SANS SOUCI (SG 4), in a second forward motive with parts of the bridgefront is the antenna of SUMATRA-FuMB good visible. The next identification details is a small derrick under the starport bridge nock. Both is vissible in wartime on SG 4.
The question is not complete answered - SG 4 = SANS SOUCI or SANS PAREIL ... - REINHARD