As I wrote, I am also in Navalism Forum.
This forum is an alternate history about a new map of the world.
I have in charge Peru Fleet. Peru is a medium power with a potential to built 8000t of ship by year.
We can built personnal Never Were warships & buy update techno, year after year.
I have begin to built in 1897 & we are today in mid 1912.
About History, it smell powder between Iberia & Turkish...
http://www.navalism.org/
All Guys use SpringSharp for Warships studies, easy to use & fast enough to built a fleet.
Well, I am going to present some Jef's studies about the Peru fleet.
The first BBs built for Peru were typicaly Pre-Dreadnought
Cuzco class , Peru BB laid down 1897
Cuzco - Ld 1897 - engine 1898 - in service 1899
Lima- Ld 1899 - engine 1900 - in service 1901
Cuzco-Lima, Peru BB laid down 1897 (Engine 1898)
Displacement:
10 400 t light; 10 913 t standard; 11 485 t normal; 11 942 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
416.67 ft / 416.67 ft x 75.46 ft x 21.85 ft (normal load)
127.00 m / 127.00 m x 23.00 m x 6.66 m
Armament:
4 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 865.70lbs / 392.67kg shells, 1897 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread
12 - 5.98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 107.15lbs / 48.60kg shells, 1897 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1897 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1897 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 4 857 lbs / 2 203 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9.06" / 230 mm 275.59 ft / 84.00 m 10.17 ft / 3.10 m
Ends: 4.02" / 102 mm 118.11 ft / 36.00 m 10.17 ft / 3.10 m
22.97 ft / 7.00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 5.00" / 127 mm 275.59 ft / 84.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11.0" / 280 mm 3.94" / 100 mm 9.06" / 230 mm
2nd: 5.00" / 127 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2.56" / 65 mm, Conning tower: 9.06" / 230 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 12 000 ihp / 8 952 Kw = 17.99 kts
Range 3 500nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 028 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
554 - 721
Cost:
£1.145 million / $4.580 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 607 tons, 5.3 %
Armour: 3 716 tons, 32.4 %
- Belts: 1 790 tons, 15.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 754 tons, 6.6 %
- Armour Deck: 1 073 tons, 9.3 %
- Conning Tower: 99 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 1 935 tons, 16.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 866 tons, 33.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 085 tons, 9.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 275 tons, 2.4 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
10 908 lbs / 4 948 Kg = 12.6 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.28
Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 14.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.33
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.45
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.585
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.52 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20.41 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 16.73 ft / 5.10 m
- Forecastle (18 %): 13.45 ft / 4.10 m
- Mid (50 %): 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Quarterdeck (18 %): 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Stern: 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Average freeboard: 13.47 ft / 4.11 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103.0 %
Waterplane Area: 22 675 Square feet or 2 107 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 90 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 128 lbs/sq ft or 624 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.64
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2132/cuzcoprofilgs1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3491/cuzcodessushv2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3675/cuzcoisoln5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8237/cuzcoisozoomim9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Jef :MG:
Mancora class Torpedo Boat
250T-Mancora, Peru Torpedo boat laid down 1897
Displacement:
250 t light; 261 t standard; 290 t normal; 313 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
184.06 ft / 177.17 ft x 19.69 ft x 7.37 ft (normal load)
56.10 m / 54.00 m x 6.00 m x 2.25 m
Armament:
2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 12.00lbs / 5.44kg shells, 1897 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on centreline, evenly spread
1 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1897 Model
Quick firing gun in deck mount
on centreline amidships
2 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1897 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 38 lbs / 17 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250
2 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
2nd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2 797 ihp / 2 086 Kw = 21.09 kts
Range 1 600nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 51 tons (100% coal)
Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery
Complement:
34 - 45
Cost:
£0.035 million / $0.140 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 5 tons, 1.8 %
Armour: 2 tons, 0.8 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 2 tons, 0.8 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 158 tons, 54.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 69 tons, 23.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 40 tons, 13.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 16 tons, 5.5 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
66 lbs / 30 Kg = 4.9 x 3.0 " / 76 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.41
Metacentric height 0.8 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 9.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.24
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.395
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 13.31 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.89 ft / 2.10 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 8.53 ft / 2.60 m
- Forecastle (18 %): 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 6.89 ft / 2.10 m
- Quarterdeck (18 %): 6.89 ft / 2.10 m
- Stern: 6.89 ft / 2.10 m
- Average freeboard: 7.80 ft / 2.38 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 195.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 64.9 %
Waterplane Area: 2 141 Square feet or 199 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 30 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 17 lbs/sq ft or 83 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 1.73
- Overall: 0.56
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Mancora - 1897
Punta Sal - 1897
Tacna - 1898
Paracas - 1898
Ilo - 1899
Huacho - 1899
Talara - 1900
Paita - 1900
(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5821/1897mancora250t1lz5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7924/1897mancora250t2pi3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Much of these Torpedo Boats are, in 1912, affected to the protection of the anchorages of the Armada
"Coastal protection zone affected to Battle Squadron"
Callao sector with 1st Battle Squadron
TB - Mancora – 250T
TB - Punta Sal - 250T
Pisco sector with 2nd Battle Squadron
TB - Tacna – 250T
TB - Paracas – 250T
Camino Del Yeso sector with 3th Battle Squadron
TB - Ilo – 250T
TB - Huacho – 250T
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the Keoniglich Bayerisches Marine is looking for a new owner
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Jef :MG:
:MG:
Peru, near Gran Colombian, is a medium-small industrial country.
she could built in 15 years 6 battleships, 6 cruisers, some torpedo boats & guns ships.
I have imagined the 1st div of Battleships with 6 Torpedo Boats & 2 Gun Boats in Chimbote Bay in 1901.
2 x Battleships:
1897-1899-10400tl-12000tfl-2T2x305+12x152+8x76.2-18kts
Cuzco
Lima
6 x Torpedo Boats:
1897-1898-250tl-313tfl-3x76.2+2TLTx457-21kts
Mancora
Punta Sal
Tacna
Paracas
Ilo
Huacho
2 x Gun Boats:
1897-150tl-175tfl-1x76.2+2x50.8-12.8kts
Serena
Moropa
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4236/squadron8allxg7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8036/squadron9allvp9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1439/squadron10allxi6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(This is not a Pearl Harbour photo...) :MG:
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1642/squadron1gr2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
The Gun Boats Serena & Moropa are at the entrance of the bay
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1543/squadron3150tuz4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
2 Torpedo Boats
(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7002/squadron4250tie4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Battleships Cuzco & Lima
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9751/squadron6bbna8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Battleship Cuzco
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1999/squadron7bbsr3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Jef :MZ:
Hi Jef,
great job :TU:) but i think, your fleet need some cruisers.
In 1901 Peru Armada use 4x2000t Scout cruiser...(not drawing in 3D)
A 4700t protected cruiser is also LD in 1901
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2000T SC , Peru Scout Cruiser - Choapa class laid down 1897 (Engine 1898)
Choapa - 1897
Atacama - 1898
Loreto - 1899
Puira - 1900
Displacement:
2 000 t light; 2 073 t standard; 2 321 t normal; 2 520 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 43.96 ft x 11.07 ft (normal load)
120.00 m / 120.00 m x 13.40 m x 3.37 m
Armament:
2 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52.72lbs / 23.91kg shells, 1897 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline, evenly spread
4 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.24lbs / 10.09kg shells, 1897 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.24lbs / 10.09kg shells, 1897 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
2 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1897 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 283 lbs / 129 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 140
2 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
4th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 0.79" / 20 mm, Conning tower: 0.79" / 20 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5 045 ihp / 3 764 Kw = 18.82 kts
Range 4 000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 447 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
166 - 217
Cost:
£0.214 million / $0.855 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 35 tons, 1.5 %
Armour: 177 tons, 7.6 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 16 tons, 0.7 %
- Armour Deck: 158 tons, 6.8 %
- Conning Tower: 3 tons, 0.1 %
Machinery: 814 tons, 35.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 925 tons, 39.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 321 tons, 13.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 2.2 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2 134 lbs / 968 Kg = 40.5 x 4.7 " / 120 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.56
Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 10.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.60
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.424
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.96 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 36 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 15.09 ft / 4.60 m
- Forecastle (18 %): 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Mid (30 %): 12.14 ft / 3.70 m
- Quarterdeck (18 %): 12.14 ft / 3.70 m
- Stern: 12.14 ft / 3.70 m
- Average freeboard: 12.51 ft / 3.81 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 133.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 151.9 %
Waterplane Area: 10 821 Square feet or 1 005 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 58 lbs/sq ft or 285 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.18
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Atahualpa - Laid down in 1911 - in service 1914
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7259/autofagastaglobalci8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
18000T-4T2x340, Peru BB laid down 1911
Displacement:
18 000 t light; 19 029 t standard; 20 383 t normal; 21 467 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
551.18 ft / 551.18 ft x 85.30 ft x 24.63 ft (normal load)
168.00 m / 168.00 m x 26.00 m x 7.51 m
Armament:
4 - 13.39" / 340 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1 200.00lbs / 544.31kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread
4 - 13.39" / 340 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1 200.00lbs / 544.31kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, all amidships
12 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52.72lbs / 23.91kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.24lbs / 10.09kg shells, 1911 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1911 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 10 589 lbs / 4 803 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
4 - 21.0" / 533 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.4" / 340 mm 341.21 ft / 104.00 m 10.17 ft / 3.10 m
Ends: 4.02" / 102 mm 190.29 ft / 58.00 m 10.17 ft / 3.10 m
19.69 ft / 6.00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 4.02" / 102 mm 341.21 ft / 104.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 95 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.57" / 40 mm 341.21 ft / 104.00 m 24.51 ft / 7.47 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.4" / 340 mm 4.02" / 102 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
2nd: 13.4" / 340 mm 4.02" / 102 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
3rd: 1.97" / 50 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
5th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 3.54" / 90 mm, Conning tower: 13.39" / 340 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 29 000 shp / 21 634 Kw = 21.13 kts
Range 7 000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 438 tons
Complement:
852 - 1 108
Cost:
£1.906 million / $7.624 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 323 tons, 6.5 %
Armour: 7 463 tons, 36.6 %
- Belts: 2 829 tons, 13.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 487 tons, 2.4 %
- Armament: 1 644 tons, 8.1 %
- Armour Deck: 2 288 tons, 11.2 %
- Conning Tower: 215 tons, 1.1 %
Machinery: 1 177 tons, 5.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7 637 tons, 37.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 384 tons, 11.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 2.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
24 963 lbs / 11 323 Kg = 20.8 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 4.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
Roll period: 16.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.616
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.46 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.48 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20.67 ft / 6.30 m
- Forecastle (18 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Mid (30 %): 14.11 ft / 4.30 m
- Quarterdeck (18 %): 14.11 ft / 4.30 m
- Stern: 14.11 ft / 4.30 m
- Average freeboard: 14.97 ft / 4.56 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111.8 %
Waterplane Area: 34 904 Square feet or 3 243 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 165 lbs/sq ft or 807 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.26
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
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Administration of the Fleet
Status of Armada 1912 H1
1st Battle Squadron
BB Cuzco - 10400T
BB Lima - 10400T
CP Viracocha Inca - 4700T
SC Choapa – 2000T
TB Calama – 450T
TB Tocopilla – 450T
TB Iquique – 450T
TB Pisagua – 450T
... in Callao, in time off for crews
Works are made on the ships
2nd Battle Squadron
BB Inti - 10400T
BB Illapa – 10400T
CP Pachacutec – 4700T
SC Atacama – 2000T
TB Caravani – 750T
TB El Alto – 750T
TB Sucre – 750T
TB Cochabamba – 750T
...in Paracas Bay near Pisco, anchorage at San Martin after exercises with 3BS
3rd Battle Squadron
BB Autofagasta – 12300T
BB La Paz – 12300T
CP Inca Roca – 4800T
CP Yahuar Huacac – 4800T
SC Loreto – 2000T
SC Puira – 2000T
TB Potosi – 750T
TB Oruro – 750T
TB Montero – 750T
TB Trinitad – 750T
...in Camino Del Yeso or Autofagasta Bay after shakedown & exercises with 2nd BS
...In Chimbote Bay since june 9th
Cruisers Raider :
Amazonas – 3400T in Callao
Tarapaca - 3400T – Shakedown cruise
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If you want to built & command a Fleet, some countries are free.
http://www.navalism.org/index.php
Jef :MG:
A very interesting design, indeed, my friend!
What makes me guessing a little ... has there beed a predecessor with diagonal turret arrangement, and four turbines/shafts; or do I read the springsharp listing wrongly-?
And - please do give the reasons for mirroring the forward superstructure completely to the aft - redundancy?
In any case, I am eager for the outer lines, too!
(Frage: gabs Vorläufer mit diagonal versetzten Türmen und 4 Tu auf 4 Wellen, oder worauf bezieht sich die Tabelle;
Gründe für die Komplettspiegelung der Aufbauten vorne <=> achtern? Bitte Außenansichten!)
Ciao,
Harold
There is a mistake in that SS :MS:
All 34cm turrets are in centerline position
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2 blocks of superstructures (bridges) with 2 command positions symetrical for better chance in action.
Disposition of the turrets
AY
AQY
APQY
APQXY
I adopt that styl for the Peruvian Navy.
I like very much the position of the PQ turrets with the turbines under the guns & the 2 blocks of superstructures.
AC Shinchi Roca -1913 - 8000t - 3T2x23cm-AQY had also that look... :MZ:
Built a fleet with the classic ABXY, BX superfiring is not original.
Jef :MZ:
Salut Jean-Francois!
Never mind - springsharp is not the holy grail.
But -as I mentioned before- could we see the outlines of your design? And, if you don't mind, would you accept some critics on it?
Ciao,
Harold
I accept all critics & suggests from the Master in conception & calculation.
:O-|
Jef :MG:
Shinchi Roca LD 1913H1 - In service 1915H1
(http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/9121/ac8000tnx2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
8000T cruiser, Peru Armored Cruiser laid down 1913 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
8 000 t light; 8 403 t standard; 9 206 t normal; 9 848 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
554.46 ft / 554.46 ft x 59.06 ft x 18.39 ft (normal load)
169.00 m / 169.00 m x 18.00 m x 5.61 m
Armament:
4 - 9.06" / 230 mm guns (2x2 guns), 371.24lbs / 168.39kg shells, 1913 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 - 9.06" / 230 mm guns (1x2 guns), 371.24lbs / 168.39kg shells, 1913 Model
Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
on centreline amidships
12 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52.72lbs / 23.91kg shells, 1913 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1913 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1913 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2 914 lbs / 1 322 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 125
4 - 18.0" / 457 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.72" / 120 mm 374.02 ft / 114.00 m 10.17 ft / 3.10 m
Ends: 1.57" / 40 mm 144.36 ft / 44.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
36.09 ft / 11.00 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 104 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 4.72" / 120 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 3.94" / 100 mm
2nd: 4.72" / 120 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 3.94" / 100 mm
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
5th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.38" / 35 mm, Conning tower: 4.72" / 120 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 46 000 shp / 34 316 Kw = 27.49 kts
Range 7 000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 445 tons
Complement:
469 - 610
Cost:
£0.919 million / $3.678 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 364 tons, 4.0 %
Armour: 1 759 tons, 19.1 %
- Belts: 816 tons, 8.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 323 tons, 3.5 %
- Armour Deck: 574 tons, 6.2 %
- Conning Tower: 45 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 1 834 tons, 19.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 743 tons, 40.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 206 tons, 13.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 3.3 %
High fire control - 250t
Marconi - long range wireless - 25t
Reserve - 25t
Crew confort mesures - climat control
Magazines climat control
Damage control - Extra pumps & generators
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
10 011 lbs / 4 541 Kg = 27.0 x 9.1 " / 230 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 14.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.66
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.535
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.39 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.55 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Forecastle (18 %): 19.36 ft / 5.90 m
- Mid (40 %): 16.08 ft / 4.90 m
- Quarterdeck (18 %): 16.08 ft / 4.90 m
- Stern: 16.08 ft / 4.90 m
- Average freeboard: 17.29 ft / 5.27 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152.3 %
Waterplane Area: 22 533 Square feet or 2 093 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 110 lbs/sq ft or 535 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.24
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
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Here is the new BB Waskhar
"Huascar" give "Waskhar" in Queshua language (Incas)
This design use triple turret, always with 34cm guns - 1200lb shells
The disposition of the turrets is similar to the BB Atahualpa. just a superfiring turrets is add aft.
(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2257/waskhar28000tdo2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Waskhar-28000t, Peru BB laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
28 000 t light; 29 734 t standard; 31 443 t normal; 32 810 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
623.36 ft / 623.36 ft x 100.56 ft x 28.50 ft (normal load)
190.00 m / 190.00 m x 30.65 m x 8.69 m
Armament:
9 - 13.39" / 340 mm guns (3x3 guns), 1 200.00lbs / 544.31kg shells, 1915 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
6 - 13.39" / 340 mm guns (2x3 guns), 1 200.00lbs / 544.31kg shells, 1915 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, all amidships
12 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52.72lbs / 23.91kg shells, 1915 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52.72lbs / 23.91kg shells, 1915 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1915 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 19 108 lbs / 8 667 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.4" / 340 mm 406.82 ft / 124.00 m 12.73 ft / 3.88 m
Ends: 4.72" / 120 mm 196.85 ft / 60.00 m 10.17 ft / 3.10 m
19.69 ft / 6.00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 3.15" / 80 mm 406.82 ft / 124.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.77" / 45 mm 406.82 ft / 124.00 m 28.31 ft / 8.63 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.4" / 340 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
2nd: 13.4" / 340 mm 5.91" / 150 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
3rd: 1.57" / 40 mm - -
4th: 1.57" / 40 mm - -
5th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 3.15" / 80 mm, Conning tower: 13.39" / 340 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 37 000 shp / 27 602 Kw = 21.17 kts
Range 7 000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3 076 tons
Complement:
1 179 - 1 534
Cost:
£4.643 million / $18.570 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2 387 tons, 7.6 %
Armour: 10 639 tons, 33.8 %
- Belts: 3 846 tons, 12.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 755 tons, 2.4 %
- Armament: 3 039 tons, 9.7 %
- Armour Deck: 2 711 tons, 8.6 %
- Conning Tower: 287 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 1 475 tons, 4.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 13 098 tons, 41.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 443 tons, 10.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1.3 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
39 748 lbs / 18 030 Kg = 33.1 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 6.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07
Metacentric height 5.7 ft / 1.7 m
Roll period: 17.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.82
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.33
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.616
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.20 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.97 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.90 ft / 8.20 m
- Forecastle (18 %): 21.33 ft / 6.50 m
- Mid (70 %): 20.67 ft / 6.30 m (12.47 ft / 3.80 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (17 %): 12.47 ft / 3.80 m
- Stern: 12.47 ft / 3.80 m
- Average freeboard: 18.90 ft / 5.76 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 145.0 %
Waterplane Area: 46 535 Square feet or 4 323 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 211 lbs/sq ft or 1 031 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.49
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
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Like all warships built for Peru, Waskhar use "fresh water bulkhead" to refresh magazines.
That's necessary for tropical climat.
Here a view of BB Atahualpa with "fresh water bulkheads"
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7268/atahualpaglobalthbulkhedn6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Jef :MZ:
Cruiser built to work with BB Waskhar
Antisuyu, Peru Cruiser-4300t laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)
Commissioned in april 1916
(http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/8097/pcantisuyu4300t1915xq5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Displacement:
4 300 t light; 4 480 t standard; 5 123 t normal; 5 637 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
495.89 ft / 492.13 ft x 49.21 ft x 15.30 ft (normal load)
151.15 m / 150.00 m x 15.00 m x 4.66 m
Armament:
4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1915 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side ends, evenly spread
4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1915 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1915 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1915 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 851 lbs / 386 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
6 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.15" / 80 mm 328.08 ft / 100.00 m 9.45 ft / 2.88 m
Ends: 1.57" / 40 mm 137.80 ft / 42.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
26.25 ft / 8.00 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.57" / 40 mm - -
2nd: 1.57" / 40 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
4th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 3.15" / 80 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 32 000 shp / 23 872 Kw = 27.38 kts
Range 8 100nm at 12.00 kts
2150nm at 21kts
1070nm at 27kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 157 tons
Complement:
302 - 393
Cost:
£0.609 million / $2.435 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 106 tons, 2.1 %
Armour: 825 tons, 16.1 %
- Belts: 469 tons, 9.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 46 tons, 0.9 %
- Armour Deck: 290 tons, 5.7 %
- Conning Tower: 20 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1 276 tons, 24.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 933 tons, 37.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 822 tons, 16.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 160 tons, 3.1 %
50 Tons for high rangefinders
70 mines
15 tons for 2 observation baloons (warm air) - cable 300m
25 tons reserves
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
6 293 lbs / 2 854 Kg = 61.1 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
Metacentric height 2.5 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 13.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.35
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck
Block coefficient: 0.484
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.33 ft / 6.50 m
- Forecastle (18 %): 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
- Mid (40 %): 13.45 ft / 4.10 m
- Quarterdeck (18 %): 13.45 ft / 4.10 m (13.78 ft / 4.20 m before break)
- Stern: 13.45 ft / 4.10 m
- Average freeboard: 14.87 ft / 4.53 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 124.4 %
Waterplane Area: 15 906 Square feet or 1 478 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 79 lbs/sq ft or 384 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.10
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
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1915 - Statut of the High Sea Fleet
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7263/19151stbsfg4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5589/19152ndbsxr2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/120/19153rdbslm5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Actually in Callao dry dock type 2 (170m), the cruiser Antisuyu
(note the side alterned disposition of the 8x6' guns)
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8790/pcantisuyu4300t1915jz3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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1915 - technological levels (in blue) of the Peru
Naval Propulsion
1895 Baseline(0): Complex Reciprocating Engines, Engine Year 1900
1902 Advanced (+1): Engine year 1905, Max. Turbine power 5000HP/Shaft,
Direct-drive Turbines
1905 Cutting Edge (+3) Engine year 1909, Max. Turbine power 12000HP/Shaft
1909: Engine year 1912, Max. Turbine power 20000HP/Shaft
1913: Engine year 1916, Max. Turbine power
1917: Engine year 1920, unlimited power/shaft
1922: Engine year 1925
1927: Engine year 1930
miscellaneous propulsion technology:
1900 Underway Recoaling
1906 Oil-firing boilers
allows bunkers with larger than 10% percentage for oil
1906 Electric Propulsion
1912 Geared Drives
1912 Capital Ship Diesel Engines
1915 Underway Refueling
BB/AC Architecture
1880 Dated: Main guns in twin turrets, secondaries in casemate
1890 Baseline (0): Mixed main armament or AQY with double turrets+casemates
1904 Advanced (+1): All-big-gun ship with wing turrets, improved turret hydraulics,
Torpedo Bulkheads
1906 Cutting Edge (+3): Superfiring turrets, all centerline, triple turrets - T3x340 jan 1915
1911: Improved protection schemes (e.g. AoN), quad turrets, turreted secondaries (double time)
[Secondaries are 4-7" guns. 8-10" medium-caliber guns are not secondaries, but medium-caliber main guns
Light Cruiser Architecture
1880 Baseline(0): guns in single mounts or casemates, on side/centerline
1900 Advanced(+1): ammunition hoists, deck torpedo armament, superfiring mounts
1910 Cutting Edge (+5): twin gun mounts
1920: turrets and barbettes
Twin gun mounts requires hoists, and they are power operated. Their armor is limited to splinter protection - 1".
Battleship Architecture is not valid for guns 6.5" and smaller. To have armored turrets with small guns, this technology is required.
Destroyer and TB architecture
1880 Baseline (0): single TTs - max 4, displacement 500t
1904 Advanced (+1):double TTs - max 8, displacement 750t
1908 Cutting Edge (+3): triple TTs - max 12, displacement 1000t,
1912: max displacement 1500t, 1918: quad TTs, 2000t
The delicate DD engines need additional research. Also Torpedoes and reloads must be accounted for in the misc. weight in the SpringSharps.
Every ship that is built with a composite strength less than 1.00 - light fast combatant especially - is considered a destroyer.
Armor technology
1880 Cast Iron -20%
1890 Compound -10%
1900 Krupp Cemented 0
1915 All Imp. KC types +10%
Torpedo Technologies
1890 Primitive (-2) : 800m@26kts range, 50kg warhead (-1 dam.), compressed air 0.5t, 16" dia.
1890 Dated (-1): 1200@26, 400@35, 100kg warhead (+0 dam.), compressed air 0.5t, 16"
1899 Baseline (0):3000@26, 1500@30, 100kg warhead(+0 dam.), early wet heater 1t, 18"
1905 Advanced (+1): 5000@26, 2200@35, 100kg warhead, imp. wet heater, 1t, 18"
1908 Cutting Edge (+3): 7000@26, 3000@35, 100kg warhead, imp. wet heater, 1t, 21"
1913: (+5) 15000@26, 10000@30,7000@35, 200kg warhead (+1), 2t, 21"
1918: (+8) 20000@26, 15000@30, 10000@35, 300kg warhead (+2) 3t weight, 24"
These are max capabilities. If there's a historical torpedo with less weight and lower performance, you can use that.
Electric Torpedo Proplusion
1905: 2000@20/1000@30, +0 damage, 2t
1914 3000@20/1500@30, +1 damage, 2t
1925 4000@25/2500@35, +1 damage, 2t
1935 5000@30/3500@35 +1 damage, 2t
Submarines
Submarines
Tech years are 1900, 1905,
1910,
1915,
1920. You can build the corresponding subs stats given in the following table (if you have the required IC engine technology, that is):
Mine Warfare
1890: long stick and Very Slow Forward. Hand detonated mines
1900 Baseline (0): primitive paravanes and dragged booms behind small vessels. Horn mines.
1908: Advanced (+1): advanced paravanes, active charges. Reliable horn mines, early antenna mines.
1918: Reliable antenna mines.
1922: Unreliable magnetic mines & countermessures.
Naval Artillery Shells
1880 Primitive(-2): Solid shot
1890 Dated (-1): High Explosive
1895 Baseline (0): Semi Armour-Piercing
1905 Advanced (+1): Armour-Piercing
1908 Cutting Edge (+3): Capped shells
1916: Improved capped shells
ASW
1910: ASW tactics, primitive depth charges
1916: hydrophones, improved depth charges
1926: further improvements
Night fighting
1908: basic tactics, searchlight, night scopes
1912: starshell + improved tactics
1918: Illuminating shells with parachute, improved night scopes
Rangefinding, Fire Control and Gunnery(development takes twice as long as a normal tech)
1908: centralized FC, early directors - 12kyd
1912: primitive FC computers -18kyd
1918: Central director stations, long base-length RF - 24kyd
1928: Search radars, spotting planes, electromechanical FC computers - 30kyd
Radar technology (double-time tech)
1905: Advanced (+1): Early Huelsmeyer-type "radar", listening dishes, War tuba's.
1915: Cutting Edge (+3): refined Huelsmeyer-type "radar"
1925: Futuristic (+5): primitive "modern" search RADAR
Line Infantry Weapons
1870 Primitive (-2) Rating 2 Artillery 0.5
1885 Dated (-1) 3/1
1895 Baseline (0) 4/2
1905 Advanced (+1) 5/3
1915 Cutting Edge(+3) 6/4
Special Units Weapons (Cavalry/Light&Mountain Infantry Weapons - more mobile than Line INF, with half the Artillery rating)
1870 Primitive (-2) Rating 2 Artillery 0
1885 Dated (-1) 3/0.5
1895 Baseline (0) 4/1
1905 Advanced (+1) 5/1.5
1915 Cutting Edge (+1) 6/2
Army Reserves
1895 Dated (-1): Can maintain one reserve unit per 2 active strength units
1900 Baseline (0): Can maintain one reserve unit per one active strength unit
1905 Advanced (+1): Can maintain two reserve units per one active strength unit
1910 Cutting Edge (+3): Can maintain three reserve units per one active strength unit OR at General Mobilization can begin moving units from depots on day 5
CBR warfare:
1880 Baseline(0) Blankets with smallpox, trebuchets with dead animals.
1905 Advanced (+1): Tear-producing substances, chlorine,plague fleas and rats etc.
1910 Cutting Edge (+3): Phosgene
1915: Futuristic (+5) mustard gas, anthrax spores
1920: Terrifying (+7) Early nerve gases,
Heavier-than-air crafts
Baseline: None, perhaps a few private experimenters with gliders
1902 Advanced: Primitive flying machines: Wright Flyer, Langly Aerodrome etc. 1906 historical year
1906 Cutting Edge: Historical 1910 aircraft level
1910: hostirical 1914 aircrafts
1913: historical 1916 aircrafts
1915: historical 1918 aircrafts
1920: historical 1922 aircrafts
1928: historical 1930 aircrafts
Dirigible airships
Dated: None
1898 Baseline: Type 0: Volume 10 000m³ nonrigid airships, 30kts
1905 Advanced (+1): Type 1 Volume: 20 000m³ and 4 tons military payload over 700 nm speed 40 kts
1910 Cutting Edge (+3) : Type 2 Volume: 40 000m³ and 9 tons military payload over 1200 nm speed 50 kts
1915: Type 3 Volume: 70 000m³ and 16 tons military payload over 2200 nm speed 60 kts
1920: 4 Volume: 130 000m³ and 31 tons military payload over 3900 nm speed 65 kts
1925: Volume: 210 000m² and 60 tons military payload over 5200 nm speed 70 kts
Anti-aircraft gun and altitudes
Baseline (0): High angle anti-ballon guns or machine guns (up to 1 pounders) = 1,000 feet - starting point for everyone.
High-angle anti-balloon guns are perfect for that role.
1908 Advanced (+1): High angle anti-air guns (20-40mm) = 5,000 feet
1914 Cutting Edge (+3): High angle artillery (40-80mm) = 15,000 feet
1925 Futuristic (+5): High altitude artillery (80mm+) = 30,000 feet
Internal Combustion Engines (Land, submarines, and air)
Dated (-1): none
1895 Baseline (0): Gas, petrol(gasoline) and alcohol-fueled engines up to 20HP
1900 Advanced (+1): Land and airship engines up to 200HP, 50HP aeroplane engines
1905 Cutting Edge(+3):Diesel engines, Land, airship and naval engines up to 750HP, 75 HP aeroplane engines
1910 Futuristic (+5): IC engines up to 2000HP, 120HP Aeroplane engines (1910)
1914: Engines up to 3000HP, 200HP Aeroplane engines (1916)
1920: Engines with no effective limit on max output (1920), Aeroplane engines 300HP
Amphibious Technology
Baseline(0) lifeboats and the use of enemy harbors.
1905 Advanced (+1) shallow draft barges and shallow draft support ships
1910 Cutting edge (+3) LST ships
1920 Futuristic (+5) Landing support ships and LST carriers
1928 Ultimate (+7): Mulberry harbors and amphibious vehicles.
Railway guns
1900: Baseline (0): Railway guns of up to 120mm, armored trains
1905: Advanced (+1): Railway guns of up to 254mm
1910: Cutting Edge (+3): Railway guns of up to 356mm
1915: Futuristic (+5): Unrestricted calibre railway guns
Motorization
($0.5 and 0.25 BP per level of Motorization)
Baseline is granted automaticaly upon possession of both of the below:
1900 Advanced (+1): Land and airship engines up to 200HP, 50HP aeroplane engines
1895 Baseline (0) Line Infantry 4/2 or Special 4/1 Corps
1900 Baseline - 0; Experimental: A few cars and trucks have been bought by your army to see what they can do; everything else follows from this.1910 Advanced +1; Support Units: Several army support functions, but not all, such as HQ, logistics, artillery, etc have been equipped with trucks. This is the level that Nazi's Germany's infantry units were at during most of WW2; the Wehrmacht had more horses, mules and donkeys than the Kaisers army.
1920 Cutting edge +3); Uniform Support Motorization: Basically everything other than leg infantry now rolls to battle. This would be the level of the US infantry in WW2.
1930 Futuristic +5; Whole Motorization: The leg infantry now have wheels also.
Light Armor
(allows a lower level attachment (regiment or brigade or whatever your armies equivalent is) or independent formation that costs $2 per level plus a flat 1 BP)
1905 Advanced +1; Experimental Armored Cars: Someone in your army decided to slap a machine gun and some sheet steel onto one of those cars or trucks to see what it can do. This tech requires experimental motorization.
1910 Cutting edge +3; Armored Car Unit: A few units have been given armored cars; mostly for use in scouting.
1915 Futuristic +5; Basic Tankette: The need for better cross country mobility has led to use of tracks; 5 to 15 tons and no more than machine guns or light cannon. Reliability of the Tankette can be an issue. Still in numbers these can break trench lines.
1920 Way out +7; Improved Tankette: Faster and improved reliability of the Tankette; still a support unit and not a formation onto itself.
Heavy Armour
(allows a lower level attachment (regiment or brigade or whatever your armies equivalent is) or independent formation that costs $4 per level plus a flat 4 BP)
Requires Experimental Armored Cars or Motorized Support Units
1910 Advanced +1; Experimental Tank: Someone has decided that those armored cars or perhaps an artillery prime mover show the way to even larger mechanical monsters. The result is a tank like the British Mark I "Mother", French St Chamond or German AV7; and just like there real world contemporary would be highly unreliable mechanically. Requires Experimental Armored Cars or Motorized Support Units
1915 Cutting edge +3; Basic Tanks: Can now build fairly reliable tanks in numbers and have the tactics to make use of them. This allows the production of something like the British Mark IV/V or German A7V/U (a mark IV clone).
1925 Futuristic +5; Improved Tanks: Much better mechanical reliability and designs; use of turrets instead of hull mounts, smaller crews, etc.
1935 Way Out +7; PzIII
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Armada in 1916
1st BS
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4734/19161bs.jpg) (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=19161bs.jpg)
2nd BS
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9843/19162bs.jpg) (http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=19162bs.jpg)
Coastal BS
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3675/1916cbs.jpg) (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1916cbs.jpg)
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wow, amazing fleet, great Navalism. top
Peruvian Armada is a small Fleet
Here is the Building Points list
1BP = 1000t of warships to built for 6 lonths
New swiss – 16.5BP
Maoria – 10BP
Rohan – 27BP
Russia – 18.9BP
Ottomans – 9BP
Bavaria – 12.5BP
Netherland – 19BP
Habsburg – 17BP
Baltic Confederation – 23BP
Orange 21.5BP
Egypt – 4.5BP
Ukraine – 11.5BP
Deutcher Kaisereich Brandeburg – 19BP
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Nassau Alliance
Italy – 11BP
UNK – 27.5BP
CSA – 24BP
France – 33BP
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Allianza del Cruz
Gran Colombia – 25BP
Iberia – 13.5BP
Peru – 6BP
NUS – 6.5BP
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Peruvian fleet is a little fleet :-(
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The Peruvian Escort Cruiser Inca Roca, the ship of Admiral Deganio, enroute to Philippines (July 1916) is...
laid down in Jef 's Shipyards - 1/700WL
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=2216.0
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Here is the 1/700WL model of CA Deganio Protected Cruiser INCA ROCA
Drawing
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3298/1053621c.jpg) (http://img34.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1053621c.jpg)
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8690/1053623.jpg) (http://img34.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1053623.jpg)
Hull in 3mm plywood in progress
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9994/1053626.jpg) (http://img34.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1053626.jpg)
Inca Roca - LD 1901 - com. 1904
Yahuar Huacac - LD 1903 - com. 1906
4800T, Peru Protected cruiser laid down 1905
Displacement:
4 800 t light; 5 017 t standard; 5 431 t normal; 5 762 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
387.14 ft / 387.14 ft x 68.90 ft x 14.40 ft (normal load)
118.00 m / 118.00 m x 21.00 m x 4.39 m
Armament:
4 - 9.06" / 230 mm guns (2x2 guns), 371.24lbs / 168.39kg shells, 1905 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread
10 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.24lbs / 10.09kg shells, 1905 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1905 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1 708 lbs / 775 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
4 - 18.0" / 457 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.72" / 120 mm 282.15 ft / 86.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Ends: 1.57" / 40 mm 78.74 ft / 24.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
26.25 ft / 8.00 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 112 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 4.72" / 120 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 3.94" / 100 mm
2nd: 1.57" / 40 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 500 ihp / 6 341 Kw = 18.50 kts
Range 4 500nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 745 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
316 - 411
Cost:
£0.520 million / $2.079 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 213 tons, 3.9 %
Armour: 1 095 tons, 20.2 %
- Belts: 492 tons, 9.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 191 tons, 3.5 %
- Armour Deck: 387 tons, 7.1 %
- Conning Tower: 26 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 1 232 tons, 22.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 175 tons, 40.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 631 tons, 11.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 85 tons, 1.6 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
5 625 lbs / 2 551 Kg = 15.2 x 9.1 " / 230 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.49
Metacentric height 5.6 ft / 1.7 m
Roll period: 12.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.17
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.34
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.495
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.62 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.68 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 15.75 ft / 4.80 m
- Forecastle (18 %): 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Quarterdeck (17 %): 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Stern: 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Average freeboard: 12.23 ft / 3.73 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 111.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.8 %
Waterplane Area: 17 691 Square feet or 1 644 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 98 lbs/sq ft or 477 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.39
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Inca Roca is the flag ship of CA Deganio.
This cruiser was active in 1912 in Atlantic in a raider hunt.
For the China war in 1916, she is en route with a squadron to patrol in Philippines waters.
Note the low secondary armement, limited by the dispalcement 4800t but enough in 1900 to engage torpedo boats.
Admiralty hope to use the 12cm gun but It was too heavy.
Note also the speed - 18kts, identical to the Battleships of the Armada.
This cruiser is made to work in the battleline with the Battleships. She is an Escort cruiser or a Combat cruiser.
Hello Jef,
absolute fantastic, what you dredge out of a fleet who stood every time in the shadow of the well knowns .. your drawings amazing ... I'll keep an eye on your progresses .. thanks a lot for researchings ..
With lovely greetings
the Wilfried
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Update
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(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2507/1053633.jpg) (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/1053633.jpg/)
(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2107/1053634.jpg) (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/1053634.jpg/)
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Casemates for the 90mm guns & the 230mm turrets
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1350/1053638.jpg) (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/1053638.jpg/)
The funnels in progress & a test with the turrets on the hull.
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/958/1053640.jpg) (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/1053640.jpg/)
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/381/1053641.jpg) (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/1053641.jpg/)
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Always in progress...
(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3053/1053644.jpg) (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/1053644.jpg/)
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9671/1053649.jpg) (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/1053649.jpg/)
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Update...
Masts with high observation posts & secondary guns
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9752/1053651.jpg) (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/1053651.jpg/)
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1186/1053652.jpg) (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/1053652.jpg/)
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Here is a Squadron Cruiser use to help the BBs in the Peruvian Battleline...
Lenght limited to 120m (drydock)
(http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/9572/1918ec7000t6x275.jpg) (http://img398.imageshack.us/i/1918ec7000t6x275.jpg/)
7000T cruiser, Peru Squadron Cruiser laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)
Displacement:
7 000 t light; 7 464 t standard; 8 074 t normal; 8 561 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 65.62 ft x 21.88 ft (normal load)
120.00 m / 120.00 m x 20.00 m x 6.67 m
Armament:
6 - 10.83" / 275 mm guns (2x3 guns), 661.39lbs / 300.00kg shells, 1918 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread
8 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52.72lbs / 23.91kg shells, 1918 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
2 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52.72lbs / 23.91kg shells, 1918 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1918 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1918 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 4 504 lbs / 2 043 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 118
6 - 21.0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 255.91 ft / 78.00 m 11.81 ft / 3.60 m
Ends: 1.57" / 40 mm 131.23 ft / 40.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
6.56 ft / 2.00 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 6.30" / 160 mm 3.94" / 100 mm 5.91" / 150 mm
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
4th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.77" / 45 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 22 000 shp / 16 412 Kw = 22.35 kts
Range 7 000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 097 tons
Complement:
425 - 553
Cost:
£1.631 million / $6.526 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 543 tons, 6.7 %
Armour: 1 930 tons, 23.9 %
- Belts: 841 tons, 10.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 474 tons, 5.9 %
- Armour Deck: 564 tons, 7.0 %
- Conning Tower: 51 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 820 tons, 10.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 407 tons, 42.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 074 tons, 13.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 3.7 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
9 063 lbs / 4 111 Kg = 14.3 x 10.8 " / 275 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.04
Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 16.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.83
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.98 ft / 6.70 m
- Forecastle (23 %): 18.04 ft / 5.50 m
- Mid (50 %): 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Quarterdeck (21 %): 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Stern: 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Average freeboard: 16.31 ft / 4.97 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.8 %
Waterplane Area: 17 212 Square feet or 1 599 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 132 lbs/sq ft or 647 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.89
- Longitudinal: 2.75
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
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Inca Roca is finish
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7685/1053657.jpg) (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/1053657.jpg/)
(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7549/1053658.jpg) (http://img526.imageshack.us/i/1053658.jpg/)
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/215/1053661.jpg) (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/1053661.jpg/)
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Last news in Navalism... Always alternate history
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12 may 1917
Callao
President Fernando Moreno left Callao in board of Cruiser Shinchi Roca. The cruiser Amazonas & the Battleship LaPaz from the 2nd division escort the President.
22 may
The Squadron enters in the NUS waters. NUS Cruisers from the 2nd scouting group of Rio Gallegos, Nueva Alborada, and Nueva Germania escort the President to Buenos Aires. During the passages near the coast, many people were seen, with Peruvian flags. Late in the evenings, many fires were seen & from the squadron, some fireworks were also actived.
27 may
Presidential Peruvian squadron arrives in Buenos Aires. All ships in the harbor are decked. President Jorge Martinez y Garcia welcomes the President Moreno on the platform. During the journey to the presidential palace, the crowd cheered the presidential cars.
The city is decked with Peruvian & NUS colors.
First visit was at the "Allianza Cooperation & Development House" where both Presidents were welcome by NUS Secretary of State- Ernesto Gonzalo y Riviera, in charge of the mission.
President Moreno congratulate Members of the Bureau & hope to have a "bigger" cooperation bureau.
28 may
Both Presidents were receiving in the Parliament.
Presidents enter in the hemicycle under acclamations & standing ovations from deputies.
President Jorge Martinez y Garcia first mounted on the podium and spoke.
"You are welcome, because here, in Argentina, you're at home."
(acclamations & standing ovations)
The President Jorge Martinez y Garcia enumerated the various issues of cooperation of countries and made a positive shared outcomes and progress in areas such as health, education, agriculture or communications...
"We thank members of the Cooperation Offices for the immense work done in the interest of Nations, but the time has come to move to the next level."
(Silence)
He turned to President Moreno and declared:
"Monsieur the President Moreno, Support and Nations representative from Peru and Bolivia, I have been mandated by the Argentina people, the people of Paraguay, the Government Members, Deputies and Senators, to proposes to Peru and Bolivia to join Argentina and Paraguay in the Nations Unidas de Surmerica "
(Acclamations & standing ovations)
After several minutes, the silence returned.
President Moreno came to the podium and declared.
"Time has come for our people to cooperate fully with each other.
Peru and Bolivia have found brothers nations, Argentina and Paraguay.
I accept your offer and said solanely, we will join Argentina and Paraguay in Nations Unidas de Suramerica "
(Acclamations & standing ovations)
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16 july
Buenos Aires
Experts of all States are receiving by the President Jorge Martinez y Garcia.
"
Seniors
I am very happy to receive members of the friendly Countries.
You are at a very important moment of the history.
Our States, Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay & Argentina are going to be assembling in one entity, Nations Unidas de Suramerica.
This "Unidas" must be in the respect of all state, traditions, culture & personality of each one.
We have, with the President Moreno defined a number of points that must be modified to allow a better cohesion of states in their functioning.
The existing Constitution of the "Unidas" should be the basis and the integration of applications from Peru is not big problems.
Requests from the President Moreno are fair and without exes. I count on your honesty work to move quickly. I hope to submit the new text to the different governments as quickly as possible...
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Oct 1917
Finally, Experts decided that NUS Government & Parliament"ll be on the line of the future railway so, Corrientes was approved for a better geographic position than Asuncion.
The NUS President is alternatively for 2 years, from Argentina & Peru.
The first President "ll be from Argentina
The Presidents from the Naciones "ll takes one (minimum) meeting every year about the Unitas Health.
NUS Government is chosen by the President & is alternatively, every 2 years from Argentina & Peru. Some ministers from Paraguay & Bolivia could be choose too.
The NUS Calendar was adopted
- Spring 1918
Laws Experts commissions choose by Presidents. One in each specialty
Parliamentary deputies' election in all states.
- Summer 1918
First session of deputies.
First session of NUS Governement
For the security, Army & Armada
Exchange of superior officers & officers.
Transfer of some materials, warships,
Complementarities of Building Plan.
Uniformity of Armament.
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In Navalism, Nations Unitas Suramerica ''ll laid down in Callao shipyards 2 cruisers:
Lloque Yupanqui & Capac Yupanqui (Inca Emperors)
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/9073/1919cl7500tyupanquiclas.jpg) (http://img641.imageshack.us/i/1919cl7500tyupanquiclas.jpg/)
7500t, NUS Light Cruiser laid down 1919 (Engine 1920)
Displacement:
7 500 t light; 7 817 t standard; 8 510 t normal; 9 065 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
557.74 ft / 557.74 ft x 55.77 ft x 22.27 ft (normal load)
170.00 m / 170.00 m x 17.00 m x 6.79 m
Armament:
12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (6x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1919 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1919 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1919 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 1 312 lbs / 595 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
12 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.15" / 80 mm 433.07 ft / 132.00 m 8.99 ft / 2.74 m
Ends: 1.57" / 40 mm 124.67 ft / 38.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 119 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.15" / 80 mm 1.57" / 40 mm 2.36" / 60 mm
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 3.15" / 80 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 76 000 shp / 56 696 Kw = 32.02 kts
Range 8 500nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 248 tons
Complement:
442 - 575
Cost:
£1.685 million / $6.740 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 164 tons, 1.9 %
Armour: 1 264 tons, 14.9 %
- Belts: 553 tons, 6.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 114 tons, 1.3 %
- Armour Deck: 569 tons, 6.7 %
- Conning Tower: 28 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 2 657 tons, 31.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 214 tons, 37.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 010 tons, 11.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 2.4 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
6 920 lbs / 3 139 Kg = 64.1 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 14.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.48
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.15
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.430
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.61 ft / 7.50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.67 ft / 6.30 m
- Mid (50 %): 17.39 ft / 5.30 m
- Quarterdeck (18 %): 17.39 ft / 5.30 m
- Stern: 17.39 ft / 5.30 m
- Average freeboard: 18.85 ft / 5.75 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 119.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112.4 %
Waterplane Area: 19 534 Square feet or 1 815 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 96 lbs/sq ft or 467 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.59
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
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Here is the NUS Armada list & the localisation-
Note;
- The main Battleships are now in Atlantic, in the same Fleet.
- The new BB Paraguay (25265t) is going to be commissionned mid 1919.
1st April 1919
NUS ATLANTIC
1st BB div – Waskhar – 28000t, Atahualpa – 18000t - (Bahia Blanca)
3rd BB div – MaytaCapac - 16000t - (Bahia Blanca)
4th BB div - Veinticinco de Mayo - 14784t, AC Manco Capac – 13200t - (Bahia Blanca)
2ndAC div - San Carlos de Bariloche, Ciudad Jardín – 9475t - (Puerto Deseado)
1st CL div – Altair – 5600t - (Bahia Blanca)
2nd CL div – Antisuyu – 4300t - (Rio Gallegos)
3rd CL div – Toreador, Novillero – 4600t - (Puerto Deseado)
6th CL div - Nueva Russia, Nueva Francia – 4385t - (Rio Gallegos)
8th CL div – Tarapaca – 3400t - (Puerto Deseado)
9th CL div - San Luis, La Argentina – 4207t - (Rio Gallegos)
1stDD – Putre, Robore, Pica, Camiri – 1000t - (Bahia Blanca)
2ndDD - D200, D201, D202, D203 – 1000t - (Bahia Blanca)
3rdDD - D204, D205, D206, D207 - 1000t - (Bahia Blanca)
4thDD - D208, D209, D210, D211 – 1000t - (Bahia Blanca)
5thDD - D212, D213, D214, D215 – 1000t - (Puerto Deseado)
8thDD - D100, D101, D102, D103 – 750t - (Puerto Deseado)
9thDD - D104, D105, D106, D107 – 750t - (Rio Gallegos)
10thDD - D108, D109, D110, D111 – 750t - (Rio Gallegos)
Fleet Tenders - Nevado Pisco, Nevado Huaytapallana – 3500t - (Bahia Blanca)
Coastal Patrols
2nd PB – RB200, RB201 - 200t – (Rio Uruguay-Colon)
3rd PB - RB202, RB203 – 200t – Rio Uruguay-Colon)
1st PB - M200, M201 – 480t – (Rio de la Plata-Buenos Aires)
1st TD - La Rioja, Jujuy, Catamarca – 750t - (Bahia Blanca)
2nd TD – Chubut, Misiones, Salta – 750t - (Puerto Deseado)
3rd TD – Neuguen, Tucuman, Corrientes – 750t - (Rio Gallegos)
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NUS PACIFIC
5th BB div – Illapa, Inti, Cuzco – 10400t - (Callao)
1st AC div - Tupac Yupanqui – 6000t - (Callao)
3th- AC div - Gran Chaco, Cordillera, San Pedro – 5983t - (Callao)
4th AC div - Inca Roca, Yahuar Huacac, Pachacutec – 4800t - (Chimbote)
4th CL div - Nueva Alborada, Nueva Germania – 4385t - (Callao)
5th CL div - Nueva Italia, Nueva Londres – 4385t – (Pisco)
7th CL div – Amazonas – 3400t - (Callao)
11thDD - D112, D113, D114, D115 –750t - (Pisco)
12thDD - D116, D117, D118, D119 – 750t - (Callao)
6thDD – Arica, Mejilones, Captain Marcona – 750t - (Callao)
7thDD – Pisco, Camiri, Guaqui – 750t - (Callao)
8thTD – Caravani, Sucre, El Alto, Cochabamba – 750t - (Chimbote)
9thTD – Potosi, Oruro, Montero, Trinitad – 750t - (Pisco)
5SS – Sant Marcello, San Martino – 750t - (Callao)
5SS - Santa Anna, Santa Cruz – 500t - (Callao)
Fleet Tenders - Nevado Huascaran, Nevado Alpamayo – 3500t - (Callao)
Coastal patrols
1CTB – Maria, Cartagena – 410t - (Talara)
2CTB - Esmeralda, Guyaquil – 410t - (Callao)
3CTB - La Guaira, David – 410t - (Callao)
4CTB – Cali, Barranquilla – 410t - (Pisco)
5CTB – Calama, Tocopilla – 410t - (Pisco)
6CTB – Iquique, Pisagua – 410t - (Antofagasta)
1MN - Rio Nevati, Rio Pozulo -125t - (Talara)
2MN - Rio Yucuyali, Rio Pisquit – 125t - (Callao)
3MN - Rio Marano, Rio Apurimac – 125t - (Pisco)
4MN - Rio Hualagua, Rio Puruis – 125t - (Antofagasta)
1SS – Santa Anna, Santa Cruz - 250t - (Callao)
2SS - San Ignacio, Santa Maria – 500t - (Callao)
3SS - San Domingo, San Phelipe – 500t – (Chimbote)
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Start mid 1919, in Callao Shipyards 2 x 6" cruisers - Cuntisuyu & Collasuyu
(http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/6707/1919cl7200tcuntisuyucol.jpg) (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/1919cl7200tcuntisuyucol.jpg/)
Note that NUS Admiralty choose, with the armament disposition, the possibility to engage 3 DDs.
Fore & aft 6" turrets could engage 2 differents targets & the middle 120mm guns had the own directory fire control for a third target.
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7200t, NUS Light Cruiser laid down 1919 (Engine 1916)
Displacement:
7 200 t light; 7 485 t standard; 8 256 t normal; 8 874 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
556.36 ft / 554.46 ft x 55.45 ft x 19.18 ft (normal load)
169.58 m / 169.00 m x 16.90 m x 5.85 m
Armament:
8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (4x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1919 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
2 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52.72lbs / 23.91kg shells, 1919 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
2 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52.72lbs / 23.91kg shells, 1919 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, all amidships
4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1919 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1919 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1 083 lbs / 491 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 190
12 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.15" / 80 mm 459.32 ft / 140.00 m 9.19 ft / 2.80 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 127 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
2nd: 1.57" / 40 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
3rd: 1.57" / 40 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
5th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 3.15" / 80 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 75 960 shp / 56 666 Kw = 31.93 kts
Range 8 500nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 389 tons
Complement:
432 - 562
Cost:
£1.662 million / $6.650 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 135 tons, 1.6 %
Armour: 991 tons, 12.0 %
- Belts: 533 tons, 6.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 60 tons, 0.7 %
- Armour Deck: 370 tons, 4.5 %
- Conning Tower: 28 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 2 830 tons, 34.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 995 tons, 36.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 056 tons, 12.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 249 tons, 3.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
5 920 lbs / 2 685 Kg = 54.8 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 2.7 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 14.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.01
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.490
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.55 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.65 ft / 6.60 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.01 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (50 %): 15.75 ft / 4.80 m
- Quarterdeck (18 %): 15.75 ft / 4.80 m
- Stern: 15.75 ft / 4.80 m
- Average freeboard: 17.37 ft / 5.30 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 127.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109.8 %
Waterplane Area: 20 299 Square feet or 1 886 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 92 lbs/sq ft or 450 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.26
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
100t -fire control
25t -Marconi long range
24t - torpedoes
20t - for 60 depth charges
80t - for 80 mines
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Note: The 7500t cruisers Lloque Yupanqui & Capac Yupanqui were not laid down.
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Here is the final design of the 1500t Tribal Class
(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4474/1921tribalclass.jpg) (http://img138.imageshack.us/i/1921tribalclass.jpg/)
Paracas, NUS Tribal class-Batch1 laid down 1920 (Engine 1916)
Displacement:
1 500 t light; 1 573 t standard; 1 828 t normal; 2 033 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
386.87 ft / 383.86 ft x 32.81 ft x 12.70 ft (normal load)
117.92 m / 117.00 m x 10.00 m x 3.87 m
Armament:
6 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns (3x2 guns), 52.72lbs / 23.91kg shells, 1918 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (1x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1916 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mount
on side amidships, all raised guns
2 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1905 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 324 lbs / 147 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
12 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 32 000 shp / 23 872 Kw = 31.74 kts
Range 7 000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 459 tons
Complement:
139 - 181
Cost:
£0.507 million / $2.030 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 41 tons, 2.2 %
Armour: 11 tons, 0.6 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 11 tons, 0.6 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 915 tons, 50.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 479 tons, 26.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 328 tons, 18.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 54 tons, 3.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
384 lbs / 174 Kg = 7.3 x 4.7 " / 120 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 1.2 ft / 0.4 m
Roll period: 12.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.64
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.400
Length to Beam Ratio: 11.70 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.59 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 14.11 ft / 4.30 m
- Mid (50 %): 11.81 ft / 3.60 m
- Quarterdeck (17 %): 11.15 ft / 3.40 m
- Stern: 10.50 ft / 3.20 m
- Average freeboard: 12.57 ft / 3.83 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 182.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 44.5 %
Waterplane Area: 7 752 Square feet or 720 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 66 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 33 lbs/sq ft or 163 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 0.99
- Overall: 0.53
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is extremely poor
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Misc : 56t
torpedoes : 24t
torpedo reserve : 0t
Depth charges : 0.333 x 30 =10t
reserve : 22 t
Trial speed : 33.5kts
We are now end of january 1920
Since 27 january,
The BB Mayta Capac (16000t-6x340-23kts) & the 2 DDs Putre & Robore are back in Bahia Blanca from Durban festivities.
These ships are going to be integrated in the Allianza Pacific Fleet after fast maintenance work.
The final NUS Squadron for Pacific is:
BB Huayna Capac -16000t - 6x340 - 23kts - Flag - Almirante Raul Reynoso y Baeyz
BB Mayta Capac -16000t - 6x340 - 23kts
AC Manco Capac - 13200t -12x230 - 24.8kts
CL Altair - 5600t - 10x152 - 27kts
4 DD - Putre-Robore-Pica-Lima - 1000t - 3x120 - 6ttx533+6 - 31kts
4 DD - Tandil-Charata-Angastaco-Cutral-(D200 class) 1000t - 4x102 - 4ttx457 - 29kts
The NUS Squadron "ll left Bahia Blanca the 30 january
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Navalism restart.
So, NUS Armada is stoped & finish now.
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Navalism restart in 1880 & I play FRANCE.
Jef :MZ:
:MG:
Restart in 1880 is closed too.
Navalism restart on a new planet:
Terre Nova
So, this topic is close
Jef :MZ: