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NAVALISM restart
Imaginary planet "Terra Nova".
The shape of the continents is different and more like archipelagos.
The hypothesis is based on human colonies with technologies starter for 1920.
My colony "Nova Francia" is composed of 75% French and the remainder of the Belgians, Germans, Swiss, Italians and Spanish.
We are in possession of plans of ships designed before 1920, and war material of the time.
Here are the classes of ships likely chosen as a reference to create the Marine.
- BB Courbet - T2x305 for 1920 - 14000t coastal BB
- BB Bretagne - T2x340 for 1921 - 14000t coastal BB
- BB Normandie - 1922 - 25200t
- BB Lyon - 1925 - 4T4x340 or 4T3x370 or 4T2x400
- BC Gilles Durand Veil
- Dupleix & Victor Hugo for AC model
- Scout Cruiser 4500t (eg 1912 Wing Scout project)
- TB Bisson - 800t
- DD 1400T (?)
Jef :ML:
Here is the actual Building Plan
| 1915 | Patrol Gunboat | 495t | 48x9.1x2.44 | 2x100 | 15kts-5000nm/12kts | B25 |
| 1916 | Squadron Gunboat | 995t | 65.8x11x2.73 | 4x140 | 21kts-5000nm/12kts | B25 |
| 1917 | Torpedo Boat (Chasseur) | 450t | 69x7.1x2.37 | 2x75+3Ttx450 | 27kts-1500nm/12kts | N |
| 1917 | Cruiser | 3500t | 114.6x14.3x4.11 | 8x140 | 27kts-5000nm/12kts | B&T75-D25 |
| 1918 | Cruiser (Dupleix) | 5600t | 141.4x17.3x4.4 | 4T2x164 | 27kts-5000nm/12kts | B&T100-40-D38 |
| 1919 | Cruiser Leon class (Gambetta) | 8000t | 150x18.3x5.5 | 6T2x194 | 27kts-5000nm/12kts | B&T120-40-D40 |
| 1920 | BB Coubert class | 14600t-15491t | 150x25x6.65 | 4T2x305+12x140+4x75 | 21kts-5000nm/12kts | B270-100-T300-BBte250 |
| 1921 | | | | | | |
| 1922 | BB Bregaten class | 14600t-15475t | 150x25x6.65 | 3T2x340+12x140++4x75 | 21kts-5000nm/12kts | B270-100-T300-BBte250 |
| 1923 | | | | | | |
| 1924 | Durand Viel - A | 27500t | 210x27x8.7 | 2T4x340+24x138.5+6x75 | 27kts- | B280-T340- |
| 1925 | | | | | | |
| 1926 | Lyon | 30000t | | | 21kts | B320-T350- |
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First Gun Boats class made to patrol around Nova Francia zones, to clean the sea from the big dangerous native creature similar to plesiosaures or geant carnivor fishes.
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Second class of Gun Boats use to work near big warships & to test bigger guns, casemates mounts & sub TT...
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Notes:
All ships armament, materials & life boats are in closed installations to protect crew from large native creatures.
They are also equiped with double mount of 13.2 mm Hotchkiss machine guns for the same job.
These M2x13.2mm Hotchkiss can fire vs flying or sea predators.
When the warships are outside the bases, these mounts are in alert condition.
Jef :MZ:
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"Never Were" for Nova Francia, the 1914 scout cruiser Lamotte Piquet (with very minors modifs).
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Jef :MZ:
hello, Jefgte,
I don´t understand why you want to build battleships and cruisers if you don´t have human enemies, but only hostile pre-neolithic creatures to deal with. A ship type like a long-range gunboat should suffice for that task. Desirable ability: employ floatplanes for patrol and attack.
greetings, Urs
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Nova Francia is not the only human colony on this planet.
Other colonies, probably 10 or 15 are also on other islands or archipels.
Some of them could be no so quiet...
They are going to built oceanic Fleets, with similar 1915-1920 technos.
Jef :MZ:
Zitat von: Jefgte am 18 Januar 2012, 23:59:29
.. not the only human colony on this planet. Other colonies, probably 10 or 15 are also on other islands or archipels. Some of them .. not so quiet...
I see. What about airships/Zeppelins for long-range recconnaissance ?
greetings, Urs
Zitat...What about airships/Zeppelins for long-range recconnaissance
Presence of large, aggressive flying animals on land have frequently attacked and damaged or destroyed experimental aircraft and airships to date.
At the begining of the colonisation, flying predators attack frequently human colonies.
Very early in the installation, humans have organized armed guards and lookouts as well as to neutralize the flying & land predators.
Bows and crossbows were manufactured in large quantity to save ammunition.
Armed offensive patrols were organised to kill these big animals.
So, the quantity of predators "ll be in reduction in the futur, airscrafts & airships could be use.
Jef :MZ:
Don`t you think it is time to go to a good psycho-therapist?
Hope for a quick recovery!
London1
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Inspired directly from the French Armored Cruisers Dupleix & Leon Gambetta, with 2 blocks of boilers (engines between them), this class of cruisers could be use to discover the new planet & open the dialog with other humans communauties.
Nova Francia prefer friendly relations between humans.
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Jef :MZ:
"At the begining of the colonisation, flying predators attack frequently human colonies."
No, the flying predators are still there: I can tell you the name of them: Sarkozy and Merkel indeed! I don`think your armourned cruisers will help us to get rid of them!
hello, London1,
please stick to the normal Forum rules; this isn´t the place to utter biased, inadequate and insulting political statements.
greetings, Urs
Hello Jefgte,
hello Urs,
please stick to the normal Forum rules; this isn´t the place to utter biased, inadequate and para normal brain "ghosts". Of course I don`t wanted to insult any flying predators ! Urs, if you feel I did sorry for that!
Yours sincerely,
London1
This is a n'verse history on an other planet , to change the classic world map as all of us know.
The planet is different & new countries are going to born.
The main interrest is the building of a 1920 Fleet, its developement & the history of this Fleet.
Jef
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I prefer the 3800t design, not the 4200t-Lamotte Piquet.
This 3800t class, with a relative slow speed, could be built in quantity & use later to escort the 21kts BBs or just to have quantity of Frigates useful for much secondary jobs.
(30kts speed increase displacement to nearly 6000t)
Jef :MZ:
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Next class for 1918 "ll be inspired from the Dupleix class with a speed of 30kts.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classe_Dupleix
Jef :MZ:
An other Project
Medium guns working near the 21kts BBs battleline
Requin, Nova Francia 3rd class BB laid down 1918
Displacement:
9 015 t light; 9 508 t standard; 10 000 t normal; 10 393 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(491.82 ft / 489.82 ft) x 70.00 ft x (18.23 / 18.80 ft)
(149.91 m / 149.30 m) x 21.34 m x (5.56 / 5.73 m)
Armament:
4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 50.0 cal guns - 446.70lbs / 202.62kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1918 Model
2 x 2 row twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 50.0 cal guns - 446.70lbs / 202.62kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1918 Model
2 x 2 row twin mounts on sides amidships
8 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 250 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1918 Model
8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
8 - 0.52" / 13.2 mm 73.0 cal guns - 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 2 500 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1918 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 4 245 lbs / 1 926 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m torpedoes - 0.952 t each, 3.809 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 318.00 ft / 96.93 m 9.17 ft / 2.80 m
Ends: 2.95" / 75 mm 170.00 ft / 51.82 m 7.86 ft / 2.40 m
1.82 ft / 0.55 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 2.95" / 75 mm 318.00 ft / 96.93 m 7.86 ft / 2.40 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.87" / 200 mm 2.95" / 75 mm 5.90" / 150 mm
2nd: 7.87" / 200 mm 2.95" / 75 mm 5.90" / 150 mm
3rd: 1.57" / 40 mm - -
4th: 0.40" / 10 mm - -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 11.80" / 300 mm, Aft 7.88" / 200 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 31 191 shp / 23 269 Kw = 24.00 kts
Range 5 000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 885 tons
Complement:
499 - 649
Cost:
£1.753 million / $7.013 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 214 tons, 12.1 %
- Guns: 1 206 tons, 12.1 %
- Weapons: 8 tons, 0.1 %
Armour: 2 981 tons, 29.8 %
- Belts: 1 450 tons, 14.5 %
- Armament: 548 tons, 5.5 %
- Armour Deck: 786 tons, 7.9 %
- Conning Towers: 197 tons, 2.0 %
Machinery: 1 125 tons, 11.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 556 tons, 35.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 985 tons, 9.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 140 tons, 1.4 %
- Hull below water: 40 tons
- Above deck: 100 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
15 284 lbs / 6 933 Kg = 36.2 x 9.5 " / 240 mm shells or 3.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 15.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.59
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.17
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.560 / 0.564
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.13 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 20.35 ft / 6.20 m, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m, 16.08 ft / 4.90 m
- Aft deck: 30.00 %, 16.08 ft / 4.90 m, 16.08 ft / 4.90 m
- Quarter deck: 20.00 %, 16.08 ft / 4.90 m, 16.08 ft / 4.90 m
- Average freeboard: 16.86 ft / 5.14 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 149.9 %
Waterplane Area: 24 154 Square feet or 2 244 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 128 lbs/sq ft or 624 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.58
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
6 light BBs laid down in 1920.
named from the 6 comunauties in Nova Francia.
Belgia-Germania-Swissia-Italia-Spania-Francia
The advantage is to have quickly a battle squadron with 48x340mm guns
Nova class, Nova Francia Light Battleship laid down 1920
Displacement:
14 398 t light; 15 377 t standard; 16 000 t normal; 16 499 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(491.82 ft / 489.82 ft) x 89.90 ft x (22.12 / 22.67 ft)
(149.91 m / 149.30 m) x 27.40 m x (6.74 / 6.91 m)
Armament:
8 - 13.40" / 340 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1 213.31lbs / 550.35kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1920 Model
2 x 4 row quad mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1920 Model
12 x 2 row twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.08lbs / 14.10kg shells, 250 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1920 Model
8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
8 - 0.52" / 13.2 mm 73.0 cal guns - 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 2 500 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 10 962 lbs / 4 972 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m torpedoes - 0.952 t each, 3.809 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.2" / 310 mm 318.20 ft / 96.99 m 10.18 ft / 3.10 m
Ends: 2.95" / 75 mm 150.00 ft / 45.72 m 7.86 ft / 2.40 m
21.62 ft / 6.59 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 2.95" / 75 mm 318.20 ft / 96.99 m 7.86 ft / 2.40 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12.2" / 310 mm 5.90" / 150 mm 12.2" / 310 mm
2nd: 1.57" / 40 mm 1.57" / 40 mm 1.57" / 40 mm
3rd: 0.77" / 20 mm - -
4th: 0.40" / 10 mm - -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 2.95" / 75 mm
Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 12.20" / 310 mm, Aft 7.88" / 200 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 25 594 shp / 19 093 Kw = 21.00 kts
Range 5 000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 122 tons
Complement:
710 - 924
Cost:
£3.769 million / $15.077 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2 247 tons, 14.0 %
- Guns: 2 240 tons, 14.0 %
- Weapons: 8 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 4 951 tons, 30.9 %
- Belts: 2 227 tons, 13.9 %
- Armament: 1 077 tons, 6.7 %
- Armour Deck: 1 372 tons, 8.6 %
- Conning Towers: 275 tons, 1.7 %
Machinery: 895 tons, 5.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 165 tons, 38.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 602 tons, 10.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 140 tons, 0.9 %
- Hull below water: 40 tons
- Above deck: 100 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
23 806 lbs / 10 798 Kg = 19.8 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 4.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.29
Metacentric height 6.7 ft / 2.1 m
Roll period: 14.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.54
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.31
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.575 / 0.578
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.45 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.13 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 25.00 %, 20.35 ft / 6.20 m, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m
- Forward deck: 25.00 %, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m, 16.08 ft / 4.90 m
- Aft deck: 25.00 %, 16.08 ft / 4.90 m, 16.08 ft / 4.90 m
- Quarter deck: 25.00 %, 16.08 ft / 4.90 m, 16.08 ft / 4.90 m
- Average freeboard: 16.95 ft / 5.17 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137.7 %
Waterplane Area: 31 461 Square feet or 2 923 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 177 lbs/sq ft or 864 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 2.02
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Built NeverWere is interresting, so, 2x Normandie class BB are in the building plan with 1920 techno.
With the calculation numbers in the original plan...
Normandie, Nova Francia Battleship laid down 1920
Displacement:
24 467 t light; 25 953 t standard; 27 200 t normal; 28 197 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(577.43 ft / 574.48 ft) x 90.56 ft x (28.24 / 29.12 ft)
(176.00 m / 175.10 m) x 27.60 m x (8.61 / 8.87 m)
Armament:
8 - 13.39" / 340 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1 209.46lbs / 548.60kg shells, 90 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1920 Model
2 x 4-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 13.39" / 340 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1 209.46lbs / 548.60kg shells, 90 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mount, 1920 Model
1 x 4-gun mount on centreline, aft deck forward
24 - 5.50" / 140 mm 55.0 cal guns - 89.79lbs / 40.73kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1920 Model
24 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.14lbs / 14.13kg shells, 250 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
8 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
16 - 0.52" / 13.2 mm 73.0 cal guns - 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 3 000 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 16 919 lbs / 7 674 kg
Main Torpedoes
6 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 21.19 ft / 6.46 m torpedoes - 1.020 t each, 6.121 t total
submerged side tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 360.90 ft / 110.00 m 9.85 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: 4.72" / 120 mm 162.00 ft / 49.38 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
51.57 ft / 15.72 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 8.66" / 220 mm 360.90 ft / 110.00 m 16.42 ft / 5.00 m
Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length
- Hull void:
1.58" / 40 mm 360.90 ft / 110.00 m 28.20 ft / 8.60 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 9.84" / 250 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
2nd: 13.8" / 350 mm 9.84" / 250 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
3rd: 4.72" / 120 mm - 4.72" / 120 mm
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 3.94" / 100 mm
Forecastle: 1.25" / 32 mm Quarter deck: 1.25" / 32 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 11.81" / 300 mm, Aft 7.87" / 200 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 34 000 shp / 25 364 Kw = 21.05 kts
Range 7 500nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 244 tons
Complement:
1 058 - 1 376
Cost:
£5.942 million / $23.769 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3 513 tons, 12.9 %
- Guns: 3 501 tons, 12.9 %
- Weapons: 12 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 10 392 tons, 38.2 %
- Belts: 4 486 tons, 16.5 %
- Void: 593 tons, 2.2 %
- Armament: 2 652 tons, 9.8 %
- Armour Deck: 2 278 tons, 8.4 %
- Conning Towers: 383 tons, 1.4 %
Machinery: 1 189 tons, 4.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 9 123 tons, 33.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 733 tons, 10.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 0.9 %
- Hull below water: 50 tons
- Above deck: 200 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
41 497 lbs / 18 823 Kg = 34.6 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 5.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 5.5 ft / 1.7 m
Roll period: 16.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.94
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.45
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck ,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.648 / 0.652
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.34 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.97 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 2.95 ft / 0.90 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 20.35 ft / 6.20 m, 20.35 ft / 6.20 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 20.35 ft / 6.20 m, 20.35 ft / 6.20 m
- Aft deck: 20.00 %, 20.35 ft / 6.20 m, 20.35 ft / 6.20 m
- Quarter deck: 30.00 %, 12.80 ft / 3.90 m, 12.80 ft / 3.90 m
- Average freeboard: 18.09 ft / 5.51 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 64.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 145.7 %
Waterplane Area: 39 781 Square feet or 3 696 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 199 lbs/sq ft or 974 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.82
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
max Normandie displacement = 28271T; draught 8.86m
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25 000T Durand Viel typ - a medium BC, not too heavy, not too light.
The final choice is depending of the other Countries building plans
Durand Veil, Nova Francia BC laid down 1924
Displacement:
22 645 t light; 23 847 t standard; 25 000 t normal; 25 922 t full load
Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(691.95 ft / 688.95 ft) x 88.57 ft x (28.54 / 29.33 ft)
(210.91 m / 209.99 m) x 27.00 m x (8.70 / 8.94 m)
Armament:
8 - 13.40" / 340 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1 213.31lbs / 550.35kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1924 Model
2 x 4 row quad mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
16 - 5.50" / 140 mm 55.0 cal guns - 89.79lbs / 40.73kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1924 Model
16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.08lbs / 14.10kg shells, 300 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1924 Model
8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
12 - 0.52" / 13.2 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 3 000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1924 Model
6 x 2 row twin mounts on side ends, majority forward
6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 11 393 lbs / 5 168 kg
Main Torpedoes
6 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 21.19 ft / 6.46 m torpedoes - 1.020 t each, 6.121 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 449.48 ft / 137.00 m 9.85 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: 3.95" / 100 mm 150.00 ft / 45.72 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
89.48 ft / 27.27 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 5.90" / 150 mm 449.48 ft / 137.00 m 9.85 ft / 3.00 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Hull void:
1.75" / 44 mm 449.48 ft / 137.00 m 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.4" / 340 mm 7.80" / 198 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
2nd: 3.95" / 100 mm - 3.95" / 100 mm
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 3.95" / 100 mm
Forecastle: 1.75" / 44 mm Quarter deck: 1.75" / 44 mm
- Conning towers: Forward 11.00" / 279 mm, Aft 7.85" / 199 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 85 172 shp / 63 538 Kw = 28.00 kts
Range 7 500nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 076 tons
Complement:
993 - 1 292
Cost:
£6.758 million / $27.032 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2 369 tons, 9.5 %
- Guns: 2 358 tons, 9.4 %
- Weapons: 11 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 8 467 tons, 33.9 %
- Belts: 3 477 tons, 13.9 %
- Void: 757 tons, 3.0 %
- Armament: 1 272 tons, 5.1 %
- Armour Deck: 2 614 tons, 10.5 %
- Conning Towers: 347 tons, 1.4 %
Machinery: 2 805 tons, 11.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 8 813 tons, 35.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 355 tons, 9.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 190 tons, 0.8 %
- Hull below water: 40 tons
- Above deck: 150 tons
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
33 776 lbs / 15 320 Kg = 28.1 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 5.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 16.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.65
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.503 / 0.507
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.78 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.25 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Aft deck: 30.00 %, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Quarter deck: 20.00 %, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Average freeboard: 19.00 ft / 5.79 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 147.1 %
Waterplane Area: 40 749 Square feet or 3 786 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 171 lbs/sq ft or 833 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.41
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
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Here is the actual Building Plan
| technos | TYPE | NORMAL DISP. | DIM | ARMAMENT | SPEED & RANGE | ARMOR |
| 1915 | Patrol Gunboat | 500t-539t | 48x8.6x2.31 | 2x100+4TTx450 | 15kts-2500nm/12kts | B25 |
| 1916 | Squadron Gunboat | 1000t-1103t | 68.7x10.1x2.72 | 4x140+4TTx450 | 21kts-5000nm/12kts | B25 |
| 1917 | Torpedo Boat (Chasseur) | 500t-520t | 71.3x7.3x2.34 | 3x100+4TTx450 | 27.5kts-1500nm/12kts | N |
| 1917 | Cruiser NOVA | 3800t-4020t | 120x14.4x4.07 | 8x140+4TTx450 | 27kts-5000nm/12kts | B&T75-D25 |
| 1918 | Cruiser (Dupleix) | 7200t-7522t | 158x17.2x2.1 | 4T2x164+8x100+4TTx450 | 30kts-5000nm/12kts | B&T100-D38 |
| 1918 | Cruiser Leon (Gambetta) | 10000t-10398t | 176x19x5.74 | 6T2x194+8x100+6TTx450 | 30kts-5000nm/12kts | B&T120-D38 |
| 1920 | BB Normandie class | 27200t-28197t | 176x27.6x8.61 | 3T4x340+24x140+8x100 | 21kts-7500nm/12kts | B320-220-120-T350-BBte300 |
| 1922 | BB Lyon class | 33500t-34624t | 190x30x8.99 | 4T4x340+24x140+8x100 | 21kts-7500nm/12kts | B330-220-115-T350-BBte300 |
| 1924 | Durand Viel - A | 25000t-25922t | 210x27x8.7 | 2T4x340+16x140+8x100 | 28kts-7500nm/12kts | B300-150-100-T340-BBte300 |
Please can you tell us a bit more about your new world?
How powerful are the other colonies?
What is the ratio of land and sea at the new world?
Are there mostly continents or islands?
And last but not least how powerful are the Dinos? How many of them are there?
Greets
Piet
PS: Please tell us furthermore more of the infrastructure of your colony.
Here is a part of the preliminaries wrote by The Rock Doctor
ZitatBACKSTORY
Centuries ago, humanity arrived here.
They had left the homeworld in slow ships, cross the void to expand humanity's footprint in the galaxy. They left united in their cause, optimistic for their future. They had left war and political division behind. They had left environmental degradation behind.
It was not until they arrived here that they understood just how difficult it would be. The fly-by probes that preceded their arrival had accurately measured the land/water ratio, the atmosphere, and noted the relatively weak magnetic fields around the planet. What they couldn't observe was the lethality of the planet's animal and plant life.
The world's shallow seas and ancient continents were teeming with relatively simple, yet highly competitive and evolved food-chains. The continents were occupied by a nightmarish biosphere in which lethal carnivores preyed upon herbivores, the herbivores defended themselves with natural defences, and the plant life slowly preyed upon both.
The first human colony attempted to settle a temperate continental land mass, and was an abject failure. Colonists fell to terrestrial and airborne predators, carnivorous plants, wind-blown fungi, and natural hazards they had forgotten how to deal with. Within four years, the last human from the first colony had perished.
The colonization effort could not be aborted. Other ships were on their way, and there was no way for them to turn around or continue on to another star...
CULTURAL CHARACTERISTICS
This sim will employ a basic set of cultural characteristics to facilitate realistic interaction with NPCs – other nations, as well as the player's bureaucracy and population. When creating his nation, the player selects a value from 0 to 99, with 0 being "least" and 99 being "Most":
Chauvinism: A quantification of how the culture views others. It combines fear of the unknown, eagerness for new knowledge, arrogance, caution, etc. The higher the RC, the less tolerant and eager for relations a culture will be.
Militarism: A quantification of a culture's aptness to use military force to resolve difficulties. It combines ferocity, timidity, military tradition, courage, etc. The higher this is, the more likely the race is to resort to war in a threat situation, and the more willing it is to accept casualties in war.
Determination: A measure of cultural obstinacy, and how likely it is to persevere in a course of action once adopted. It may be thought of as stubbornness and may reduce the willingness of the culture's military units to surrender, but should be confused with militancy.
ECONOMICS
Cities
A player nation consists of a number of cities. At the start of the game, the player determines how many cities there are, where they are, and assigns economic output and an export product to each one.
A city is an arcuate or ring-shaped structure built on the seafloor in coastal water and extending well above sea-level. The inner curve of the city's arcuate form, or the interior of its ring, offers protected berthing and harbours for shipping. Think Waterworld's "atoll", only more high tech and several thousand times larger.
A city is a self-contained, sealed environment for the protection of its inhabitants from the planet's virulent biosphere. A city is largely self-contained, and would consist of large segments of condominium-style housing, office complexes, shopping malls, vertical farms, and industrial facilities. Cities are variously powered by solar arrays, tidal power generation, geothermal or hydrocarbons. They produce their own freshwater, extract nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen, and argon from the air and water, and produce some quantities of biodiesel from the native biosphere.
Each city generates an exportable product:
-Biodiesel on a larger scale
-Steel
-Consumer goods
-Soil (for terraforming)
...
Actualy, Navalism is nearly stopped, Modos are busy...
So, just Cartaginian & Me imagine the Fleet.
We have no infos about the exact start date (1910-1920...)
We just know that human colonies arrive on the new planet with modern technos but with old Warships plans & the first ships built are very expensive(That's why I start with 500t Gunboats)
Jef :MZ:
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Here is Normandie class BB, modified for Nova Francia.
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AC made to work near the BBs line.
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We restart in 1920 but we have warships from 1900 to 1920, with corresponding technos.
I rework the Plan.
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We restart in 3910 corresponding to 1910 technos.
Nova Francia & other Communauties are on the new planet since 2000 years.
Big predators on Nova Francia territory were kill early in the installation.
Now, in 3910, it's time to explore & instal colonies on other islands & continents.
But, Nova Francia is not alone...
We have enough people & ressources to built a 500 000t fleet.
Here is my actual building Plan.
| technos | TYPE | NORMAL DISP. | ships Qty | total tonnage | Tonnage Fleet | DIM | ARMAMENT | SPEED & RANGE | ARMOR |
| 1895 | PB-850t | 850t | 20 | 17000 | | 58x11,6x2,56 | 4x100 | 16kts-3000nm/12kts | bow-15mm |
| 1896 | GB-Conquérant class | 3000t | 6 | 18000 | | 96x13,7x3,69 | 4x140+6x75 | 18kts-5000nm/12kts | bow-15mm |
| 1896 | TB-500t | 500t | 20 | 10000 | | 68.6x8.14x2.27 | 2x75+20minen+4TTx450 | 24kts-1400nm/12kts | bow-15mm |
| 1897 | AC-Capitaines class Batch 1 | 7900t | 4 | 31600 | | 100x20 | 4T1x240+10x140+8x47 | 18kts-5000nm/12kts | belt 200 |
| 1898 | BB-Liberté class | 13750t | 4 | 55000 | | 129.8x22.4x7.8 | 2T2x305+12x140+8x75+8x47 | 18kts-5000nm/12kts | belt 230 |
| 1899 | AC Capitaines class Batch 2 | 7900t | 4 | 30800 | | 100x20 | 2T2x240+10x140+8x47 | 18kts-5000nm/12kts | belt200 |
| | | | 162400 | 162400 | | | | |
| 1900 | light Cruisers Nova class | 5000t max | 6 | 30000 | | | 8x140 | 21kts-5000nm/12kts | |
| 1901 | Armored Cruiser Leon class | 12500t | 4 | 50000 | | | 6T1x240+8x140 | 21kts-5000nm/12kts | |
| 1902 | AC Capitaines class Batch 3 | 8000t max | 4 | 28000 | | | 2T2x240+8x140+8x47 | 21kts-5000nm/12kts | B&T200-D50 |
| 1903 | Torpedo boat | 1000t max | 24 | 24000 | | | 3x75+4TTx450 | 27kts-5000nm/12kts | |
| 1904 | Danton class BB | 18000t max | 2 | 36000 | | | 2T2x305+4T2x240 | 21kts-5000nm/12kts | |
| | | | 168000 | 168000 | | | | |
| 1905 | Armored Cruiser | 15000t max | 2 | 30000 | | | 6T2x240+8x140 | 21kts-5000nm/12kts | |
| 1906 | Cruiser Dupleix | 8000t max | 4 | 32000 | | | 4T2x164 | 25kts-5000nm/12kts | |
| 1907 | Torpedo Boat (Chasseur) | 1200t | 12 | 14400 | | | 3x100+4TTx450 | 27kts-5000nm/12kts | |
| 1907 | Patrol Gunboat | 500t | 20 | 10000 | | | 3x100 | 16kts-5000nm/12kts | |
| 1908 | Courbet class BB | 20000t max | 2 | 40000 | | | 6T2x305-Study5 | 21kts-5000nm/12kts | |
| 1909 | BC | 20000t max | 2 | 40000 | | | 4T2x305 | 27kts-5000nm/12kts | |
| | | 140 | 166400 | 166400 | | | | |
| | | | | 496800 | | | | |
Note the Cruisers of the Capitaines class are a mixture of the Armored Cruisers & the Coastal Battleships projects in older plans.
Jef :MZ:
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The building plan is updated to a better mixture of all type of ships
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4 cruisers CL1 class are in the 1896 plan
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4 other, CL2 class (1899) are nearly identical. I change the secondary 75mm to 100mm & the belt thickness increase to 60mm
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BB3 class
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BB1 class
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Last infos about Nova Francia Fleet
| CGB | 24 | | 480/600t-2x100 -16/18kts |
| SGB | 16 | | 2300/3000t-4x140-18/20kts |
| TB | 54 | | 300/500t-2/3x75-24/25kts |
| DD | 44 | | 750/1250t-3x100+6tt-25/28kts |
| CL | 18 | | 4400/6500t-140/164-20/26kts-B30/100 |
| EC | 8 | | 7400t-4x240-18kts-B170 |
| AC | 6 | | 11250/15000t-4/6x240-21/25kts-B170/200 |
| BB | 10 | | 10625/19800t-4/6x305-18-21kts-B230/280 |
| 499 840t | 180 | | |
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Old 18kts ACs are reclassed in 1910 : ECs (Escort Cruiser)
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Topic closed.
Navalism restart in 1900.
I play France.
Jef