Schnellboote

[Urs Heßling]

moin, Ola,

2. Masch. Gefr. Gobst under the camouflage (S48?). Are the names of interest for the Crew liste in HMA?

H.z.D. = Heizer (=Maschinist) vom Dienst , für die Crewliste fehlt die Bootszugehörigkeit

3. Seemänniche Nr. 1 Bootsmaat (Goldhansen? can anyone read the name?) with a MG 34.

Der Anfangsbuchstabe scheint mir ein R zu sein

4. More S 48 crew names. Ob. Maat.... I need help.

ObMt ?rabs

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Thank again Urs,

I was reading H.z.D. as Hr. D. (Herrn Doktor) but found it highly unlikly.

What is the titel for the others on the ObMt photo 4. Maschin?? Maat, Maschin?? Gefreiter.

It looks to me that all the phots are from S 48, but it is difficult to be absolutly sure.

The last photos are from 1942 in this serie.

1. ObLtn. Mirbach is the commander for the text writer (= S 48) and a Signalgast. The text says 1942 but I think it is 1941. S 48 has not got a front wind shield and Mirbach is not Kplt. There is a photo in Baart's book that shows S 48 with a wind shield and Mirbach as Kplt (= 1 June 1942 or later).

2. The text writers boat (S 48 is the first boat) in the Boulogne bunker. Difficult to say when, S 48 was there several times in summer 1942.

3. Photo taken from S 48 (not the early two pollard on the front deck) when leaving with the 6 Sftl. When in 1942? "Cerberus" on 12 Feb? It looks like the front deck is not white any more (Yellow for Cerberus or just grey after installing the front 2 cm gun?).

4. and 5. Indienstsellung of S 117 (first boat built with a 4 cm Bofors gun) 8 Aug 1942. Note the gun in photos. Commander is ObLtn z See Bludau.

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

moin,

What is the titel for the others on the ObMt photo 4. Maschin?? Maat, Maschin?? Gefreiter.

Ich lese von oben
Ob.Maat
Masch.Maat
Masch.Gefr
Matr.Gefr.

1. ObLtn. Mirbach is the commander for the text writer (= S 48) and a Signalgast. The text says 1942 but I think it is 1941. S 48 has not got a front wind shield and Mirbach is not Kplt. There is a photo in Baart's book that shows S 48 with a wind shield and Mirbach as Kplt (= 1 June 1942 or later).

"Sommer 1942" wurde von einem anderen Schreiber später hinzugefügt.
Ja. Es könnte auch Mai 1942 sein, wenn der Schreiber es mit dem Sommeranfang (21.6.) nicht genau nahm

2. The text writers boat (S 48 is the first boat) in the Boulogne bunker. Difficult to say when, S 48 was there several times in summer 1942.

Ja, ein interessantes Foto !  Schreibfehler "Boulonge" - der Schreiber kennt sich nicht aus

3. Photo taken from S 48 (not the early two pollard on the front deck) when leaving with the 6 Sftl. When in 1942? "Cerberus" on 12 Feb? It looks like the front deck is not white any more (Yellow for Cerberus or just grey after installing the front 2 cm gun?).

Das ist nicht 6. S-Flottille, die "6" ist ein "S" (vor "-Flottilli(e)"
Ich meine, daß das Bild S 48 noch ohne Backflak zeigt
- Die Back sieht nach dem Einbau (siehe Bild) ganz anders aus
- Man sieht die aufgestellte Reling, bei den Booten mit Backflak war die Reling im Einsatz immer niedergelegt

4. and 5. Indienststellung of S 117 (first boat built with a 4 cm Bofors gun) 8 Aug 1942. Note the gun in photos. Commander is ObLtn z See Bludau.

Ja, S 117
Bludau trägt das Flotten-Kriegsabzeichen, er gehörte zur Besatzung der Admiral Graf Spee
Ein mini : nicht "Commander" (Dienstgrad), sondern "Commanding Officer" (C.O.)

Noch einmal ein großes DANKE     für das Einstellen / Teilen der Fotos

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Urs,

Yes, you are right about the S-Flottille and yes it is S 48 before the front gun was installed.

Foedrowitz's Schnellboot bunker book says the 4 SFtl was in the Boulogne bunker on 24 June 1942 for the first time.


More photos from the same Ebay seller. Now it is S 60 in the Med. First photos are with Luftwaffe guests in summer 1943 (could be in July after the big overhaul in Toulon). There is not much text on the photos.

1. Ob. Ltn. Haag with Luftwaffe officers. Note all the machine guns.

2. S 60 with two air intakes (I think they are for an air compressor. When could it have been instaled?) What are the two tubes on the Winkerstands. Flag holders?

3. Ob Ltn Haag with DKiG (He got it 3 June 1943).

4. 5. The Luftwaffe officers.

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

moin,

Foedrowitz's Schnellboot bunker book says the 4 SFtl was in the Boulogne bunker on 24 June 1942 for the first time

KTB 4. S-Fltl gibt den 4.6.1942 an (siehe Anhang)

2. S 60 with two air intakes (I think they are for an air compressor. When could it have been instaled?) What are the two tubes on the Winkerstands. Flag holders?

möglich : 16.01.1943 - 21.02.1943    Motorenüberholung in Augusta,   siehe S 60
Flaggenhalter ? Ja

3. Ob Ltn Haag with DKiG (He got it 3 June 1943).

Ja , mit kariertem Hemd unter der Uniformjacke (wie der "Alte" im "Boot"-Film), anders als die "Schlipssoldaten" der Luftwaffe mit weißem Hemd

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Urs,

I guess the KTB knows better. The bunker was built in two sections that were not ready at the same time.

1. S 60 in Viareggio after the mission on 9-10 Dec 1943 (S 153, S 156, S 157, S 158, S 57 and S 60). S 60 was with the 7 SFtl at the time. A small part of the S 60 flying fish Wappen behind the crew.

2. The S 60 crew in Viareggio on 22 Dec 1943 after laying 100 F.L.M. I assume F.L.M. is Luft Mine"F" for S-Boote (LMF/s). The S 60 had done ~20 mining missions at the time. (5 mines/mission). Could a typ S 30 boat take 6 mines? Did they only lay LMF/s? This was the last mission before being transported across Italy. Note the Bordehund.

3. LMF mine

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

1. S 60 in Viareggio after the mission on 9-10 Dec 1943 (S 153, S 156, S 157, S 158, S 57 and S 60). S 60 was with the 7 SFtl at the time. A small part of the S 60 flying fish Wappen behind the crew.

Die Minenunternehmen waren in den Nächten 8./9. und 10./11.12.1943, siehe S 57

... after laying 100 F.L.M. I assume F.L.M. is Luft Mine"F" for S-Boote (LMF/s).

Die Bedeutung von "100 F.L.M." ist mir auch unklar

The S 60 had done ~20 mining missions at the time.

von 11/1942 bis 12/1943 insgesamt 23

Could a typ S 30 boat take 6 mines? Did they only lay LMF/s?

1) Ja  2) Nein 
bei der Unternehmungen am 8./9. und 10./11.12.1943 wurden von S 57 und S 60 je 6 UMB geworfen (die Boote vom Typ S 151 warfen TMB)

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Thanks Urs,

S 60 was with the 7 Sftl and there are a few typ S 151 boat photos.

1. A typ S 151 boat with the red and white air recognition strips. 1943

2. S 156 "K" and another typ S 151 boat. 1943

3. 4. 5. 6. S 153 crossing Italy to Venice Feb-April 1944. The boat is marked "153S". There is a Hanomag tow truck and Reichbahn personal.

7. 8. Probebly winter 1944 during the crossing of Italy. Where? Are they from the S 60 crew?

[Violoncello]

Hallo Alo,

eine kurze Bemerkung zu #2032 Nr. 3-6: Es handelt sich nicht um Hanomag-Zugmaschinen, sondern Faun ZR. Hanomag SS 100 wurden m.W. bei derartigen Überlandtransporten nicht eingesetzt. In der Regel wurden Schwerlasttransporte auf "Culemeyer"-Anhängern mit Zugmaschinen des Typs Kaelble Z 6 R 2A 100 (Deutsche Reichsbahn) oder Kaelble Z 6 W 2A 130 (in der Regel der Luftwaffe) durchgeführt.

Viele Grüße

Violoncello

[Urs Heßling]

moin,

2. S 156 "K"

mit Erkennungs-Buchstaben "K" für Klaus Thomsen

Gruß, Urs