Battle in the Bay of Seine.

[cam]

I searched and asked the British that he died of SGB-7, which is in a battle in the bay of the Seine at night 18/19 June 1942 torpedo sank the Belgian coaster Turquoise.

Extracts from Weekly Intelligence Reports (WIR)

SGB 7.

On the night of 18th/19th June, HMS ALBRIGHTON and HM Steam Gun Boats 7 and 8 attacked a convoy of 2 Merchantmen and a Trawler escorted from 6.10 E & R Boats off Port-en-Bessin in Normandy.HMS ALBRIGHTON made 2 hits with 4" shells and SGB 7 claims 1 hit with torpedo on the larger Merchantmen. SGB 7 was herself hit in the Boiler Room and lost touch with the rest of the forces.


They do not know anything about it - the entire crew was killed or captured.

http://cfv.org.uk/article/loss-of-sgb-7

[Urs Heßling]

hi,

a convoy of 2 Merchantmen and a Trawler escorted from 6.10 E & R Boats

is the meaning of this
a convoy of 2 Merchantmen and a Trawler escorted by 6 - 10 E-boats and R-Boats ??
One may assume that the trawler was an escort, as well.

Remark: afaik, SGB 6 participated in the "party", too.

greetings, Urs

[cam]

Yes. Need to read convoy of 2 Merchantmen and a Trawler escorted by 6 - 10 E-boats and R-Boats.
There were 2 vessels. They guarded the M-3800 and  4th R-boat flotilla. In combat, the R-41 was sunk. SGB-6 due to engine failure in 01.00 turned back.

[TD]

Hallo Cam,

zu deiner Frage haben wir bei Erstellung der "Chronik des Seekrieges" schon einige Sachen genau untersucht.
Mir ist ja bekannt das Du deutsch zumindest lesen kannst so das ich gleich eine Anzahl deutscher Auswertungen hier einstellen werde. Gleichzeitig ermöglichen wir dabei ja vielen Lesern dass sie ohne Google hier mitlesen können und ggf. noch Ergänzungen einsetzen können.
Zum Vorgang selbst:

18.­ 19.6.1942
>Kanal
>Angriff des brit. Zerstörers Albrighton und der Kanonenboote SGB 6, SGB 7
>und SGB 8 auf einen dt. Konvoi mit zwei Frachtern am 18.6. in der
>Seinebucht. Auf dt. Seite sinken der Kanalinselversorger Turquoise
>(ex-belg., 810 BRT) und Räumboot R 41, die brit. Marine verliert SGB 7. —
>Beim Abschleppversuch von R 41 wird das Hilfsminensuchboot M 3800 (ex-niedl..
>Stoomloodsvartuig 16, 585 BRT) am 19.6. in der Bucht vor St. Vaast durch
>einen Zerstörer angegriffen und läuft auf Strand, wird aber tags darauf
>geborgen und wieder repariert.

Zu diesen Kämpfen sind in der Verlustliste Achse folgende Einträge:
19. 6. 42
D APM M 3800 Stoomloodsvaartuig 16    585 # B/PG SGB 7, 8 v. St.Vaast  A
D PM R 41   40     125 + B/DE Albrighton v. Barfleur  A
D ma Turqueuse  33     810 + B/DE Albrighton 6 n.Pt.en Bessin T

Bei den alliierten Verlusten ist zu finden:

18. 6. 42
B PT SGB 7   42     175 + D/PM M 3800, R 41 Seinebucht  A




Zu den Schiffen noch  folgende Einzeldaten:

.
<####> Turquoise (1933, Hoboken: Cockerill, 647) 810 BRT; 54,35 x 10,82 m; 1600 PSe; M/S, S. A. John Cockerill, Antwerpen; 1940 von KM übernommen; 194. OT-Einsatzgr. West, OBL Normandie, Kanalinselversorger; 18.6.1942 + Rôche du Calvados, 6 sm ~ Port en Bessin / Strandung bei Verfolgung durch brit. MTB

M  TURQUEUSE  38/810  KM
18. 5. 40 in Dieppe als belg. Dampfer von der Besatzung selbstversenkt.
12.6.40 Prise, später Beute
an Rüstungsinspektion H, Wirtschaftstrupp U
11. 2. 42 in Le Havre Bombenschaden
18. 6. 42 in der Seinebucht von brit. MTB versenkt

18.o6.42  MA TOURQUISE, be, auf Reise Le Havre - Cherbourg + brit.
S-Boote, 5 sm östl. Punkt 23 A
19.o6.42  M 3800 nach Unterwassertreffer (engl. S-Boote ?) in der Bucht vor St.Vaast auf Grund gesetzt. später schwimmfähig

Stoomloodsvaartuig 16 (1924) S/pi Stoomloodsvaartuig 16, 8.39 BV 18, niederl. Marine, 14.5.40 Hoek van Holland dt. Beute, 19.7.40  M 3800,19.6.42 08h00  + s. St. Vlaast / bei Abschleppversuch an ,,R 41! durch Artillerie brit. Zerstörer auf Strand, 20.6.42 ,  rep., 29.8.44 + 03h30 ~ Berck sur Mer, Le Havre / FliBo / 13 Tote.

Leider habe ich den Bericht zum Untergang der  TOURQUISE nicht greifbar.
Vielleicht hat ein Leser zu den Kämpfen noch aus den KTBs  38. Minensuchflottille, Gruppe West usw. noch diesen Bericht ?

Gruß

Theo

[cam]

Hallo, Theo

SKL reports:

Vol Part A, Vol. 34, June 1942: War diary : German Naval Staff Operations Division

19 Jun. 1942 Channel Coast :

At 0235 enemy boats torpedoed and fired upon a German
convoy in the Baie de la Seine near Earfleur. M/S
TURQUEUSE (800 fJRT) and motor mine sweeper R "41" received
torpedo hits. '.Then the motor mine sweeper was being towed away,
the enemy attacked again; mine sweeper "3800" was so badly damaged
that she had to be beached. The TURQUEUSE and motor mine sleeper
R "41" sank. According to a report by the 4th Motor Mine Sweeper
Flotilla 2 enemy PT boats were sunk for sure, while a third
one was probably destroyed; others were damaged. 27 Britishers
were capt ;red. See Telegram 1830 for a brief report by the
4th Motor Mine Sweeper Flotilla and the Commanding Admiral, Defenses,
West.

Underlined sources.

Of your information and the information from the British do not understand:
1. What was the second ship in the convoy?
2. What other ships than M 3800  and R 41 were escorted?
3. Who and how sank SGB-7?

greetings, CAM

[Urs Heßling]

hi,

.. a German convoy in the Baie de la Seine near Earfleur.

to read Barfleur

St. Vaast is the correct spelling (not: St. Vlaast)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Vaast-la-Hougue

greetings, Urs

[cam]

There is such information

Сooper/Battle of the torpedo boats

The 1st SGB Flotilla had been formed at Portsmouth by mid-June. On the evening of the 18th, three of these, SGBs 6, 7 and 8, under the command of Lt J. D. Ritchie, acting Senior Officer of the flotilla, set out in company with the Hunt class destroyer Alhrighton to intercept two German merchant vessels which were known to have left Le Havre with an escort of S boats.. The plan was to make for the enemy shipping route east of Cape Barfleur by 01.00 the following morning and then sweep eastwards to intercept the west-bound convoy.

Passage to the Baie de Seine was made without incident. Shortly after 01-00, SGB 6 had an engine breakdown, lost contact with the others, and had to return independently to Portsmouth. An hour and a half later, while on a course parallel and slightly north of the enemy route and cruising at 12 knots, Albrighton made RDF contact with the enemy force, some miles ahead. A warning signal was flashed to the SGBs. A minute later, a German merchant vessel of about 1,000 tons was sighted, accompanied by several S boats- Albrighton led the atttack, firing starshell to illuminate the target and engaging with 4-inch guns. The Commanding Officer, Lt-Cdr R. J. Hanson, ordered the after torpedo fired But the firing crew were momentarily blinded by gunfire and the torpedo missed. By now the SGBs were closing the target, so Albrighton withdrew to allow them greater freedom of movement, continuing to fire starshell. This revealed a second and much larger merchant ship of 3,000 tons coming up behind fhe first.

SGB 8, commanded by Lt J. R. Griffiths, with Lt Ritchie on board, and SGB 7, commanded by Lt R. L. Barnet, both turned to port and passed astern of the enemy column, engaging the S boats with gunfire. One of these was considerably damaged by pom-pom fire from SGB 8.
Then the gunboats reduced speed and turned to fire their: torpedoes at the larger merchant vessel. SGB 8 fired firsthand one torpedo was seen to hit. Then SGB 7 came into] the attack and as her torpedoes hit there was a loud explosion, a large column of water spouted into the air, and a; dull orange glow spread along the ship. By this time SGB 8 was involved in a fierce battle with S boats. When Ritchie next had a chance to look round, both the target and SGB 7 had disappeared.

After the engagement had been broken off, Albrighton remained to search for the missing gunboat. But there was no sign of her, and at 04.15, as it was growing light, the destroyer withdrew and followed the other gunboat home.

It was later discovered that SGB 7 had been sunk and most of her crew rescued and taken prisoner, including Lt. Barnet.

[maurice voss]

Hello,


Do you maybe know which was the second merchant vessel involved in this action ?

Mit freundlichen Grüssen,

Maurice

[t-geronimo]

According to the war diary of harbor commander Le Havre the following ships left port at 22 o'clock:
MS Tourqouise, M 3800, RA 1 and RA 2.

[Urs Heßling]

hi,

By now the SGBs were closing the target, so Albrighton withdrew to allow them greater freedom of movement, continuing to fire starshell. This revealed a second and much larger merchant ship of 3,000 tons coming up behind the first.

German E-boat commanders were known to overestimate continuously the size of their targets

greetings, Urs

[maurice voss]

Hello,

vielen Dank Thorsten und Urs !

mfG
Maurice

[cam]

According to the war diary of harbor commander Le Havre the following ships left port at 22 o'clock:
MS Tourqouise, M 3800, RA 1 and RA 2.

Thank you.
Perhaps these ships and were part of the convoy. But the R-41 also was part of the convoy and was sunk in battle. Perhaps he later joined with other R-boats.

[maurice voss]

Hallo,



Hiermit eine Photo vom TURQUOISE

mfG
Maurice

[TD]

Hallo Maurice,

Dank für die schöne Aufnahme.

Ich hatte leider kein Foto.

Viele Grüße

Theo


P.S.  Wir sind ja wohl die Letzten die noch deutsch schreiben....

[Hans Jehee]

In der Nacht von 18/19 Juni gabt es mindestens 3 Schiffsbewegungen:

Befehl Flott. Chef 38. MS-Fl.:
Am 18.6.42 20.00 Uhr war M3800, RA 1, RA II mit Motorschiff Turquoise Le Havre ausgelaufen auf Weg Rosa, um Motorschiff Turquoise dem Geleit 3299 zu zuführen. Treffpunkt war Punkt 23a. Dort Treffen Gruppe B mit Geleit mit Geleit 2399. Turquoise weitermarsch mit Gruppe B nach Cherbourg. M3800, mit R-Booten Rüchmarsch nach Le Havre.

Befehl Flott. Chef 38. MS-Fl.:
Gruppe B Fla-Schutz für Geleit 2399 und Schlepper Barfleur mit HFG nach Cherbourg. Bei Ansteuerungstonne übernemen. Ab Punkt 23 schliesst Tourquoise an das Geleit an. Geleit 2399 besteht aus: Schlepper Elbe mit Prahm Neuville St. Vaast und Schlepper Robur

Laut KTB 2. Sicherungsdivision:
4. R-Flottille mit 3 Boote Fecamp – Cherbourg

In KTB 38. Minensuchflottille un 2. Sicherungsdivision gibt es viele Meldungen und Berichte über diese Gefechte.

Mit Gruss, Hans