Schnelles Geleitboot "SG 4 Saturn" - ex frz. "Sans Pereil"

[Ian Jewison]

Gents,

Does anyone have any definitive names and timeline of the above ship? Trawling the internet says:

Schnelles Geleitboot "SG 3 Jupiter" - ex frz. "Sans Pereil"
Schnelles Geleitboot "SG 4 Saturn" - ex frz. "Sans Pereil"
Schnelles Geleitboot "SG 4 Merkur" - ex frz. "Sans Peur"

Erich Gröner states:

Named Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus Merkur; 1942 the order was changed Merkur, Uranus, Jupiter, Saturn:

SG 1 ex Sans Peur
SG 2 ex Sans Reproche
SG 3 ex Sans Souci
SG 4 ex Sans Pareil

Also any idea who the Schiff Kmdt. was?

FP Nr. M 50237 -  6. Vorposten-Flottille SG 4.

 Sie dürfen diesen Dateianhang nicht ansehen.

Thanks in advance!
Ian

[Ian Jewison]

This explains a little bit better .....

http://www.luftwaffe-zur-see.de/Kdo.Schiff/DatenBergung/Saturn.htm

Still can not find the Kmdt. though.

/Ian

[TW]

SG 1 Kptlt.d.R.z.V. Lehmann, anschließend in Vertretung Oblt.z.S.d.R. Heinz (SG 1 Werftliegezeit im März 1944)
SG 3 Kptlt.d.R. Rudel (März 1944)
SG 4 Kptlt. Haackert (März 1944) -> während seines Urlaubs übernahm Kptlt.d.R.z.V. Lehmann das Kommando

Quelle: KTB 6.Vorpostenflottille NARA T1022 ROLL 3716

Im Mai 1943 sind folgende Kommandanten aufgeführt:

SG 1 KorvKpt.z.V. Graf zu Rantzau (6.1942-6.1943)
SG 2 KorvKpt.d.R. Gelpke
SG 3 Kptlt.d.R. Rudel

[Ian Jewison]

Thank you very much Thomas 

/Ian

[Paloupalou]

Another fan of these ships! I am delighted!
Thanks TW for the KTB of the 6.Vorpostenflotille!:MG:
Would you be having the previous KTB of 1942 and 1943 and also the KTBs of the 4.Vorpostenflotille? That would be of a great help, I try to work on these ships too!!

[maxim]

Are plans of these ships available? Either as German SG or as French aviso postwar?

[Paloupalou]

I found some KTB on NARA thanks to Thomas. Number 3713 to 3716. Do I have it all?
Concerning the plans I don't know. I am not sure that there was any Atlas de coque created for these ships as they weren't finish before the armistice.
Maybe the navy yards at Saint Nazaire kept some stuff.

[TW]

I found some KTB on NARA thanks to Thomas. Number 3713 to 3716. Do I have it all?

Hi Paloupalou
You should download and consult NARA GUIDE No.4:
https://www.forum-marinearchiv.de/ablage/nara/Guide_No_4_Records_of_German_Navy_Operational_Commands_in_World_War_II.pdf
Vorpostenflotillen beginning on page 72
Best regards, Thomas

P.S. You have only to insert ROLL NUMBER on two places in the NARA address, instead of xxxx:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/NARAprodstorage/lz/dc-metro/rg-242/315246058/T1022/T1022-xxxx/T1022-xxxx.pdf

[Paloupalou]

Outstanding! I thank you very much!!!

[SchlPr11]

Hallo,
in a French collection exist a photo just after the war with the following painting aft - SANS SOUCI (SG 4), in a second forward motive with parts of the bridgefront is the antenna of SUMATRA-FuMB good visible. The next identification details is a small derrick under the starport bridge nock. Both is vissible in wartime on SG 4.
The question is not complete answered - SG 4 = SANS SOUCI or SANS PAREIL ... - REINHARD