Schiffsentwürfe

[Lutscha]

Nein, nicht bei leichten Schiffen, sondern bei extremen Geschwindigkeitsanforderungen mit extrem hoher Marschgeschwindigkeit.
Besser hab ichs gestern nicht hingekriegt.

Armament:
     8 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns (2x4 guns), 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1938 Model
     Dual purpose guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
     4 - 5,04" / 128 mm guns (2x2 guns), 63,99lbs / 29,03kg shells, 1938 Model
     Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
     12 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1938 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     16 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1938 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 1.136 lbs / 515 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   8 - 21,0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1,97" / 50 mm   419,95 ft / 128,00 m   8,69 ft / 2,65 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 123% of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

  - Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
      0,39" / 10 mm   419,95 ft / 128,00 m   18,90 ft / 5,76 m

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2,76" / 70 mm   1,97" / 50 mm      1,97" / 50 mm
   2nd:   1,18" / 30 mm   0,79" / 20 mm            -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

  - Armour deck: 0,98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 1,57" / 40 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 110.698 shp / 82.581 Kw = 36,00 kts
   Range 5.800nm at 20,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2.150 tons

Complement:
   469 - 610

Cost:
   £4,588 million / $18,353 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 142 tons, 1,5%
   Armour: 864 tons, 9,4%
      - Belts: 288 tons, 3,1%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 116 tons, 1,3%
      - Armament: 125 tons, 1,4%
      - Armour Deck: 320 tons, 3,5%
      - Conning Tower: 15 tons, 0,2%
   Machinery: 3.031 tons, 32,9%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3.590 tons, 39,0%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.479 tons, 16,1%
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 1,1%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7.342 lbs / 3.330 Kg = 68,5 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 1,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15
   Metacentric height 2,5 ft / 0,8 m
   Roll period: 15,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,35
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,06

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck
     and transom stern
   Block coefficient: 0,396
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,89 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,79 kts
   Power going to wave formation at speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Forecastle (10%):   22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Mid (80%):      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (10%):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m (19,69 ft / 6,00 m before break)
      - Stern:      13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   20,67 ft / 6,30 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 193,9%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 120,6%
   Waterplane Area: 17.563 Square feet or 1.632 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 102 lbs/sq ft or 498 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,89
      - Longitudinal: 2,78
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[Spee]

@Lutscha + Huszar,

das wäre die originale Vorgabe.

Kreuzer "M", Deutschland Leichter Kreuzer laid down 1938

Displacement:
   9.326 t light; 9.633 t standard; 11.419 t normal; 12.847 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   595,18 ft / 583,99 ft x 55,77 ft x 22,31 ft (normal load)
   181,41 m / 178,00 m x 17,00 m  x 6,80 m

Armament:
     8 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (4x2 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1938 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
     4 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm guns in single mounts, 20,79lbs / 9,43kg shells, 1938 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
     8 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1938 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     4 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1938 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 920 lbs / 417 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   8 - 21,0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1,97" / 50 mm   379,59 ft / 115,70 m   8,96 ft / 2,73 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

  - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      0,59" / 15 mm   379,59 ft / 115,70 m   20,47 ft / 6,24 m

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1,18" / 30 mm   0,79" / 20 mm      1,18" / 30 mm
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,20" / 5 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,20" / 5 mm         -               -

  - Armour deck: 0,79" / 20 mm, Conning tower: 3,94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
   Geared drive, 3 shafts, 143.882 shp / 107.336 Kw = 35,50 kts
   Range 8.000nm at 19,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.214 tons

Complement:
   552 - 718

Cost:
   £5,493 million / $21,973 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 115 tons, 1,0%
   Armour: 913 tons, 8,0%
      - Belts: 278 tons, 2,4%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 170 tons, 1,5%
      - Armament: 91 tons, 0,8%
      - Armour Deck: 331 tons, 2,9%
      - Conning Tower: 43 tons, 0,4%
   Machinery: 3.940 tons, 34,5%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4.258 tons, 37,3%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.093 tons, 18,3%
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0,9%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10.359 lbs / 4.699 Kg = 100,6 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,32
   Metacentric height 3,4 ft / 1,0 m
   Roll period: 12,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,26
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0,550
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,47 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m (22,97 ft / 7,00 m before break)
      - Stern:      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,98 ft / 6,70 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 188,3%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 149,7%
   Waterplane Area: 22.731 Square feet or 2.112 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 102 lbs/sq ft or 500 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,00
      - Longitudinal: 2,03
      - Overall: 1,07
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[Spee]

@Lutscha+Huszar,

würde man die Geschwindigkeit auf 32kn absenken, käme sogar ein brauchbarer Entwurf heraus.

Kreuzer "M", Deutschland Leichter Kreuzer laid down 1938

Displacement:
   9.304 t light; 9.633 t standard; 11.419 t normal; 12.847 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   595,18 ft / 583,99 ft x 55,77 ft x 22,31 ft (normal load)
   181,41 m / 178,00 m x 17,00 m  x 6,80 m

Armament:
     8 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (4x2 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1938 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
     8 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns (4x2 guns), 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1938 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
     8 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1938 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     24 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns (6x4 guns), 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1938 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 1.125 lbs / 510 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   8 - 21,0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5,91" / 150 mm   379,59 ft / 115,70 m   8,96 ft / 2,73 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

  - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      0,59" / 15 mm   379,59 ft / 115,70 m   20,47 ft / 6,24 m

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3,94" / 100 mm   3,15" / 80 mm      1,18" / 30 mm
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,20" / 5 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,20" / 5 mm         -               -

  - Armour deck: 3,15" / 80 mm, Conning tower: 3,94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
   Geared drive, 3 shafts, 93.603 shp / 69.828 Kw = 32,00 kts
   Range 8.000nm at 19,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.214 tons

Complement:
   552 - 718

Cost:
   £4,524 million / $18,094 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 141 tons, 1,2%
   Armour: 2.549 tons, 22,3%
      - Belts: 834 tons, 7,3%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 170 tons, 1,5%
      - Armament: 178 tons, 1,6%
      - Armour Deck: 1.325 tons, 11,6%
      - Conning Tower: 43 tons, 0,4%
   Machinery: 2.563 tons, 22,4%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3.952 tons, 34,6%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.115 tons, 18,5%
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0,9%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17.228 lbs / 7.814 Kg = 167,3 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 2,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,21
   Metacentric height 3,0 ft / 0,9 m
   Roll period: 13,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 68 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,39
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,35

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0,550
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,47 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m (22,97 ft / 7,00 m before break)
      - Stern:      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,98 ft / 6,70 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 131,0%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 149,7%
   Waterplane Area: 22.731 Square feet or 2.112 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 128%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 95 lbs/sq ft or 464 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,94
      - Longitudinal: 1,88
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Lutscha]

Na super, ich habs bei 8k standard gemacht...

Nochmal komplett:
Geht Nicht, Deutschlan M-Kreuzer laid down 1938

Displacement:
   7.727 t light; 8.011 t standard; 9.206 t normal; 10.161 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   531,09 ft / 524,93 ft x 52,49 ft (Bulges 59,06 ft) x 26,25 ft (normal load)
   161,88 m / 160,00 m x 16,00 m (Bulges 18,00 m)  x 8,00 m

Armament:
     8 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns (2x4 guns), 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1938 Model
     Dual purpose guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
     4 - 5,04" / 128 mm guns (2x2 guns), 63,99lbs / 29,03kg shells, 1938 Model
     Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
     12 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1938 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     16 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1938 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 1.136 lbs / 515 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   8 - 21,0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1,97" / 50 mm   419,95 ft / 128,00 m   8,69 ft / 2,65 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 123% of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

  - Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
      0,39" / 10 mm   419,95 ft / 128,00 m   18,90 ft / 5,76 m

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2,76" / 70 mm   1,97" / 50 mm      1,97" / 50 mm
   2nd:   1,18" / 30 mm   0,79" / 20 mm            -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

  - Armour deck: 0,98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 1,57" / 40 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 110.698 shp / 82.581 Kw = 36,00 kts
   Range 5.800nm at 20,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2.150 tons

Complement:
   469 - 610

Cost:
   £4,588 million / $18,353 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 142 tons, 1,5%
   Armour: 864 tons, 9,4%
      - Belts: 288 tons, 3,1%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 116 tons, 1,3%
      - Armament: 125 tons, 1,4%
      - Armour Deck: 320 tons, 3,5%
      - Conning Tower: 15 tons, 0,2%
   Machinery: 3.031 tons, 32,9%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3.590 tons, 39,0%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.479 tons, 16,1%
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 1,1%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7.342 lbs / 3.330 Kg = 68,5 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 1,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15
   Metacentric height 2,5 ft / 0,8 m
   Roll period: 15,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,35
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,06

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck
     and transom stern
   Block coefficient: 0,396
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,89 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,79 kts
   Power going to wave formation at speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Forecastle (10%):   22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Mid (80%):      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (10%):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m (19,69 ft / 6,00 m before break)
      - Stern:      13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   20,67 ft / 6,30 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 193,9%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 120,6%
   Waterplane Area: 17.563 Square feet or 1.632 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 102 lbs/sq ft or 498 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,89
      - Longitudinal: 2,78
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[Spee]

@Lutscha,

jahh, deshalb weist du jetzt auch, warum das K-Amt der Seekriegsleitung mitgeteilt hat, daß der Entwurf mit 8.000t nicht machbar ist.

[Lutscha]

Sagen wir kaum machbar, der Entwurf ist stuhl, aber es geht einfach nicht besser...

Btw, unterstützt mal das warshipsprojectboard, beim alten Forum gabs sogar ein user, der Informationen direkt aus Japan brachte, allerdings in mühsamer Googleübersetzung, aber mit wirklich guten Hintergrundinformationen.

[Lutscha]

Hiers ist mal ne Zeichnung, wie meine Goeben aussehen würde. Zwar nicht von mir, aber egal. (unterste Variante)

Lediglich die 10,5er wären durch überhöhte 12,8er ausgetauscht worden, Platz für Flak ist auch da.

http://www.phpbbplanet.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19&mforum=warshipprojects

[Spee]

@Lutscha,

wo sind in deinem Entwurf die 15cm?

[Lutscha]

Ach, ich bin durch den Suff von gestern völlig durch den Wind, das ist mir überhaupt nicht aufgefallen... ^^ Die 15er wären bei mir sinnvollerweise 12,8er.

Edit: Herr Fujimoto muss auch betrunken gewesen sein, als er sein dream battleship designte, wie soll dieses Monster 59k tonnen wiegen können bei der Panzerung und Bewaffnung?!

Wirklich ein dream BB... ^^

1934 FUJIMOTO BATTLESHIP DESIGN <8>

Displacement:(tons)<9>
    Standard:      50,000
    Trials:        59,000
Length:                951'6"
Beam:                  124'8"
Draft:
    Trials:            32'2"
Armament:
    Main Battery:      12-20" (4 x 3)
    Secondary:         16-155mm
    Anti-Aircraft:     10-5"
                       some machine guns
Aircraft:               12 (3 catapults)
Armor:
    Main Belt:         16"
    Deck:              11"
Power Plant:            mixed turbine/diesel,
                       140,000 shp
Speed:                  30 knots
Range:                  12,000 nautical miles at 16 knots

Der Rest des Artikels ist auch interessant: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/history/marshall/military/wwii/Japanese.navy/jap_yamoto_bat.txt

Und hier mal ein Bildchen davon: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bk/NWS/Imperial_Japanese_Navy/Fujimoto_dream_battleship/image-html/Db1.html

Mal gucken, wie schwer das Teil bei Spring Sharp ist...

[Lutscha]

Geht nicht Variante:

Dream Battleship, Japan Biggest Bastard Ever laid down 1937
DESIGN FAILURE: Overall load weight too much for hull

Displacement:
   46.525 t light; 50.482 t standard; 55.000 t normal; 58.614 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   951,44 ft / 951,44 ft x 124,67 ft x 32,81 ft (normal load)
   290,00 m / 290,00 m x 38,00 m  x 10,00 m

Armament:
     12 - 20,08" / 510 mm guns (3x4 guns), 4.047,43lbs / 1.835,88kg shells, 1937 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, all forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
     Main guns limited to end-on fire
     16 - 6,10" / 155 mm guns (4x4 guns), 113,62lbs / 51,54kg shells, 1937 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
     10 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns (5x2 guns), 62,50lbs / 28,35kg shells, 1937 Model
     Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 51.012 lbs / 23.139 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   16,1" / 410 mm   639,76 ft / 195,00 m   13,39 ft / 4,08 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 103% of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

  - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      7,87" / 200 mm   639,76 ft / 195,00 m   30,12 ft / 9,18 m

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   23,6" / 600 mm   15,7" / 400 mm      23,6" / 600 mm
   2nd:   2,36" / 60 mm   2,36" / 60 mm      2,36" / 60 mm

  - Armour deck: 11,00" / 279 mm, Conning tower: 19,69" / 500 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 144.835 shp / 108.047 Kw = 30,00 kts
   Range 12.000nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 8.132 tons

Complement:
   1.795 - 2.334

Cost:
   £41,163 million / $164,654 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 6.377 tons, 11,6%
   Armour: 38.294 tons, 69,6%
      - Belts: 5.856 tons, 10,6%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 5.614 tons, 10,2%
      - Armament: 9.569 tons, 17,4%
      - Armour Deck: 16.642 tons, 30,3%
      - Conning Tower: 613 tons, 1,1%
   Machinery: 4.014 tons, 7,3%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: -2.760 tons, -5,0%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 8.475 tons, 15,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 600 tons, 1,1%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     0 lbs / 0 Kg = 0,0 x 20,1 " / 510 mm shells or 2,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,02
   Metacentric height 7,3 ft / 2,2 m
   Roll period: 19,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 66 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,37
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,32

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
     and transom stern
   Block coefficient: 0,495
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,63 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 36,02 kts
   Power going to wave formation at speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      39,37 ft / 12,00 m
      - Forecastle (10%):   29,53 ft / 9,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      26,25 ft / 8,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (10%):   22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Stern:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   26,48 ft / 8,07 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 132,3%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 227,8%
   Waterplane Area: 81.779 Square feet or 7.598 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 56%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: -25 lbs/sq ft or -124 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: -0,07
      - Longitudinal: -0,10
      - Overall: -0,09
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Lutscha]

Dream Battleship, Japan Biggest Bastard Ever laid down 1937

Displacement:
   111.434 t light; 116.791 t standard; 125.000 t normal; 131.567 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   951,44 ft / 951,44 ft x 144,36 ft (Bulges 157,48 ft) x 32,81 ft (normal load)
   290,00 m / 290,00 m x 44,00 m (Bulges 48,00 m)  x 10,00 m

Armament:
     12 - 20,08" / 510 mm guns (3x4 guns), 4.047,43lbs / 1.835,88kg shells, 1937 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, all forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
     16 - 6,10" / 155 mm guns (4x4 guns), 113,62lbs / 51,54kg shells, 1937 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
     10 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns (5x2 guns), 62,50lbs / 28,35kg shells, 1937 Model
     Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 51.012 lbs / 23.139 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   16,1" / 410 mm   639,76 ft / 195,00 m   13,39 ft / 4,08 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 103% of normal length

  - Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
      7,87" / 200 mm   639,76 ft / 195,00 m   30,12 ft / 9,18 m

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   23,6" / 600 mm   15,7" / 400 mm      23,6" / 600 mm
   2nd:   2,36" / 60 mm   2,36" / 60 mm      2,36" / 60 mm

  - Armour deck: 11,00" / 279 mm, Conning tower: 19,69" / 500 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 290.732 shp / 216.886 Kw = 30,00 kts
   Range 12.000nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 14.776 tons

Complement:
   3.323 - 4.321

Cost:
   £56,643 million / $226,573 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 6.377 tons, 5,1%
   Armour: 50.636 tons, 40,5%
      - Belts: 6.069 tons, 4,9%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 5.614 tons, 4,5%
      - Armament: 10.371 tons, 8,3%
      - Armour Deck: 27.522 tons, 22,0%
      - Conning Tower: 1.060 tons, 0,8%
   Machinery: 8.058 tons, 6,4%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 45.763 tons, 36,6%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 13.566 tons, 10,9%
   Miscellaneous weights: 600 tons, 0,5%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     224.325 lbs / 101.752 Kg = 55,4 x 20,1 " / 510 mm shells or 54,8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,28
   Metacentric height 13,6 ft / 4,1 m
   Roll period: 17,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,41
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck
     and transom stern
   Block coefficient: 0,890
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,04 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 35,40 kts
   Power going to wave formation at speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      39,37 ft / 12,00 m
      - Forecastle (10%):   32,81 ft / 10,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      29,53 ft / 9,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (10%):   22,97 ft / 7,00 m (26,25 ft / 8,00 m before break)
      - Stern:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   29,30 ft / 8,93 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 70,1%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 228,9%
   Waterplane Area: 135.244 Square feet or 12.565 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 272 lbs/sq ft or 1.326 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,99
      - Longitudinal: 1,14
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[DST]

hi
ich habe keine ahnung was ich da alles eingestellt habe bei spingsharp würde aber gerne wissen was ihr von meinem kreuzer haltet .

Condor, deutschland leichter kreuzer laid down 1938

Displacement:
9.237 t light; 9.519 t standard; 10.911 t normal; 12.025 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   657,16 ft / 623,36 ft x 55,77 ft x 19,69 ft (normal load)
   200,30 m / 190,00 m x 17,00 m  x 6,00 m

Armament:
8 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (4x2 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1938 Model
             Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
             on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
     4 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm guns in single mounts, 20,79lbs / 9,43kg shells, 1938 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
     12 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1938 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 926 lbs / 420 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   8 - 21,0" / 533 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1,97" / 50 mm   557,74 ft / 170,00 m   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 138% of normal length

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1,97" / 50 mm   1,97" / 50 mm      1,18" / 30 mm

  - Armour deck: 0,98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 2,36" / 60 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 3 shafts, 124.404 shp / 92.806 Kw = 36,00 kts
   Range 6.000nm at 20,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2.506 tons

Complement:
   533 - 693

Cost:
   £5,058 million / $20,232 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 116 tons, 1,1%
   Armour: 1.339 tons, 12,3%
      - Belts: 713 tons, 6,5%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 138 tons, 1,3%
      - Armour Deck: 464 tons, 4,2%
      - Conning Tower: 25 tons, 0,2%
   Machinery: 3.406 tons, 31,2%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4.375 tons, 40,1%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.675 tons, 15,3%
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9.909 lbs / 4.494 Kg = 96,2 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 1,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,23
   Metacentric height 3,0 ft / 0,9 m
   Roll period: 13,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,11

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
     and transom stern
   Block coefficient: 0,558
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11,18 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 28,09 kts
   Power going to wave formation at speed: 61 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 35,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29,53 ft / 9,00 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   26,25 ft / 8,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Stern:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   22,24 ft / 6,78 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 121,3%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 192,8%
   Waterplane Area: 25.456 Square feet or 2.365 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 99 lbs/sq ft or 484 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,99
      - Longitudinal: 1,73
      - Overall: 1,05
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent



mfg dirk

[harold]

Hallo DST!

Kommentare erwünscht?, mach ich:

200,30 m / 190,00 m x 17,00 m x 6,00 m
... SEEHR schlank, und bei dem hohen Freibord von 6+ m sowie
Metacentric height 3,0 ft / 0,9 m
...fürchte ich, dass sie bald mal Walzer tanzt.

Armament: 116 tons, 1,1%
Armour: 1.339 tons, 12,3%
- Belts: 713 tons, 6,5%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 138 tons, 1,3%
- Armour Deck: 464 tons, 4,2%
- Conning Tower: 25 tons, 0,2%........bis hierher galub ich´s

Machinery: 3.406 tons, 31,2%....das ist seeehr viel für ein so schmales Rümpfchen.
Lieber 2-3 kn und geschätzte 25.000 shp und 750 ts weniger, dann käme auch wieder eine Zweiwellenanlage in Betracht (macht bei der geringen Breite mehr Sinn)

Hull, fittings & equipment: 4.375 tons, 40,1%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.675 tons, 15,3%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%.... da wäre ein wenig Reserve doch recht hilfreich.


Metacentric height 3,0 ft / 0,9 m...wie gesagt, SEHR wenig.
Roll period: 13,5 seconds...glaub ich schlicht und einfach nicht. Springsharp spuckt da seltsamste Werte aus.

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 %...na eben. A wacklige Gschicht!

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0,558...den braucht sie auch, um halbwegs stabil zu sein.
Werte wie weiter oben um 0.37 o.ä. sind nonsense;

Length to Beam Ratio: 11,18 : 1... ein Bleistift, fürwahr!
'Natural speed' for length: 28,09 kts....in der Theorie
Power going to wave formation at speed: 61 %....au Backe, is das viel!
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50....Wackel, wackel...
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 35,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 13,12 ft / 4,00 m... ich dachte, Transom?
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Forecastle (20%): 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Mid (50%): 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Stern: 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Average freeboard: 22,24 ft / 6,78 m...zeichne dir die Linie mal auf, das ist eine Schisprungschanze...

...soo, ich hoffe, du bist mir jetzt nicht böse, nachdem ich einfach mal nur ganz unweihnachtlich-kritisch war

Ciao,
Harold

[DST]

böse ?  ich ? nein auf keinen fall , wie gesagt bei den meisten sachen weiß ich nicht mal was das bedeutet    

transom stern und stern overhang geht nicht zusammen    

aber springsharp ist ein nettes spielzeug auch wenn man nicht weiß was alles genau bedeutet.

habe mir auch dein program bzw die exel liste gesaugt aber keine ahnung wie das geht .

und hier hätte ich noch nen bleistifft zum anspitzen ^^

leichter kreuzer 203mm, deutschland leichter kreuzer laid down 1935

Displacement:
   8.436 t light; 8.743 t standard; 10.171 t normal; 11.312 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   671,32 ft / 656,17 ft x 59,06 ft x 22,97 ft (normal load)
   204,62 m / 200,00 m x 18,00 m  x 7,00 m

Armament:
     6 - 7,99" / 203 mm guns (2x3 guns), 255,24lbs / 115,77kg shells, 1935 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
     40 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm guns (20x2 guns), 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 1935 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 1.541 lbs / 699 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   6 - 21,0" / 533 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1,18" / 30 mm   492,13 ft / 150,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 115% of normal length

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1,57" / 40 mm   1,57" / 40 mm      1,18" / 30 mm

  - Armour deck: 0,79" / 20 mm, Conning tower: 3,15" / 80 mm

Machinery:
   Diesel Internal combustion motors,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 86.527 shp / 64.549 Kw = 34,00 kts
   Range 8.000nm at 18,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2.569 tons

Complement:
   506 - 658

Cost:
   £4,079 million / $16,316 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 193 tons, 1,9%
   Armour: 735 tons, 7,2%
      - Belts: 230 tons, 2,3%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 112 tons, 1,1%
      - Armour Deck: 361 tons, 3,5%
      - Conning Tower: 32 tons, 0,3%
   Machinery: 2.458 tons, 24,2%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4.801 tons, 47,2%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.734 tons, 17,1%
   Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 2,5%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12.695 lbs / 5.758 Kg = 49,7 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12
   Metacentric height 2,8 ft / 0,9 m
   Roll period: 14,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,64
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,52

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
     and transom stern
   Block coefficient: 0,400
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11,11 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 29,37 kts
   Power going to wave formation at speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26,25 ft / 8,00 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   26,25 ft / 8,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Stern:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,98 ft / 6,70 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102,5%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 197,5%
   Waterplane Area: 24.754 Square feet or 2.300 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 137%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 110 lbs/sq ft or 535 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,94
      - Longitudinal: 1,92
      - Overall: 1,01
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


mfg dirk

[harold]

Servus Dirk,

aufpassen bei cB von 0.4!! Zum Vergleich: Leipzig lag bei 0.548, und die war nun wahrlich nicht fett...

..."habe mir auch dein program bzw die exel liste gesaugt aber keine ahnung wie das geht ."

...fang einfach bei "Form" an, indem du die Länge CWL eingibst, in Abt 8 oder 9 die maximale Breite, und dann die Breitenwerte über die Kurve (Anklicken und Verschieben der Punkte) veränderst.
Dann gibst du noch den Tiefgang bei leerem Schiff ein, sowie die zusätzliche Tiefertauchung bei Vollausrüstung (die Differenz zum maximalen T).
Mit den Völligkeitswerten spiel dich vorerst noch nicht, sonder schick mir per pn deine Mailadresse, und dann kann ich dich -wenn du magst- ein wenig supporten.

Ciao,
Harold