Einsatz ital.Flotte nach Kapitulation gegen Deutsche?

[Glasisch]

Hi Enrico,

thank you for your reaction, which gives me some hope. I look at each source, because I want to form my own opinion. Can I get your PDF file that you've send Peter K. too? The maneuverable version here is based solely on English sources and I would like to know the Italian position. I thank you in advance.

You know something more about the German radio operators, allegedly on board the La Spezia - Sqadron?   Were  they on board? Did the Italians really get German FuMB`s "Naxos"? This is the most important thing for me at this time.

Greetings
Micha 

[krelle]

Ist Euch das Buch "Wir wurden gejagt wie die Hasen" von Paul Berndt (Jahn & Ernst Verlag, 1990, ISBN 3-894 07-028-5) bekannt?  Berndt war einer der deutschen B-Funker, die auf italienischen Kriegsschiffen Dienst verrichteten. Auf der Rückseite des Buches heißt es u.a.: " An Bord..... waren deutsche B-Funker eingesetzt, um den Funkverkehr des Gegners auszukundschaften. Eine kleine Gruppe von nur dreißig wagemutigen Männern stellte sich dieser aussichtslosen Aufgabe. Unter ihnen der Autor Paul Berndt, der mit diesem Buch ein unverzichtbares Zeitdokument liefert." 

[Enrico Cernuschi]

Hi Micha,

the German personnel on the BBs leaved them the evening of 8 Sept. 1943 according the orders. It was a very quiet passage with no drama (the mood was very different in many places, during the first hours and days ot the 8 Sept. 1943 armistice, from the one commonly described AFTER the crisis had caused all its possible effects).

The interceptos on the Italian warships in the Med. and submarines in the Atlantic Ocean, since Summer 1942, were Metox, not Naxos. They were manned by German personnel on 1942 at first (except on the Italian submarines where they were known as the Cristo (Christ) as a sailor had to carry the cross on the sail while a petty officier controlled the red light of the screen. On 1943 mixed party were formed for the Metox and, at least, full Italian ones.

There was, then, on 1943, Luftwaffe personnel on the Italian BBs for the German fighter direction (a similar previuous experiment on 1941 had been hurriedly concluded after the fiasco of the German promise for an air umbrella the day of Gavdos). I didn't know about B Dients parties on Italian warships and I'm puzzled as the Italian navy intelligence had actually her squads for this task since 1941 and the duplication of such a service would be only a mess.

For other 8 Sept. 1943 infos on the Italian naval side let me suggest you:

http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Navy-Italian-Armistice-September/dp/1934840912/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpi_3


I know that to do some pub for themselves is far from an elegant exercise, but the critic of the book is good and its content surely not a conventional (or politically correct) one.

     Bye

   Enrico 


           

[t-geronimo]

I can confirm that!

Yesterday I thought about answering in this topic but then I noticed that I would have had to copy lots of passages of Enricos and Vincents book so I gave it up after half an hour or so reading in it.

[Glasisch]

Ist Euch das Buch "Wir wurden gejagt wie die Hasen" von Paul Berndt (Jahn & Ernst Verlag, 1990, ISBN 3-894 07-028-5) bekannt?  Berndt war einer der deutschen B-Funker, die auf italienischen Kriegsschiffen Dienst verrichteten. Auf der Rückseite des Buches heißt es u.a.: " An Bord..... waren deutsche B-Funker eingesetzt, um den Funkverkehr des Gegners auszukundschaften. Eine kleine Gruppe von nur dreißig wagemutigen Männern stellte sich dieser aussichtslosen Aufgabe. Unter ihnen der Autor Paul Berndt, der mit diesem Buch ein unverzichtbares Zeitdokument liefert." 

Hallo Krelle,

na das wird ja immer interessanter, besten Dank  Ich versuche mal an das Buch zu rankommen.

Gruß
Micha

Enrico Cernuschi Re: Einsatz ital.Flotte nach Kapitulation gegen Deutsche? « Antwort #17 am: 14 Januar 2011, 22:26:31

Enrico, thank You very much

I found it here: http://books.google.pl/books?id=Dz5PXzFLi7sC&pg=PA21&lpg=PA21&dq=%22Admiral+Carlo+Bergamini%22&source=bl&ots=Qp0CWfbU83&sig=fJYdiausZzRY4u9eXEGQPcGzk_0&hl=pl&ei=VeMBTdWpO8aDOqCZvaYB&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&sqi=2&ved=0CEAQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=%22Admiral%20Carlo%20Bergamini%22&f=false  Dark Navy.

Regards
Micha
PS - Thank You also for the mail which I`ve got from You