Seelöwe Panzer Abteilung (F)100

[Bergedorf]

Hi Arjan,

checked it. According to an report of KMD Dünkirchen there was on 12.10.1940" Erprobungsversuch über die Beladungsmöglichkeit eines Prahmes Typ C für Schwimmtanks am Strande."

On the backside of the picture it is dated Dünkirchen 11.10.40. But I think it could be the same exercise?

Cheers

Dirk

[Arjan]

Hallo Dirk, I think you must be right  , the dates are very close. Today I discovered a photo of a Stug that shows the same location as that of the first Flammpanzer pic I posted. If my information is correct (Nuts & Bolts 24) these photos must have been taken in Ostend. I once more posted the photo in my Stiwot thread :

http://www.stiwotforum.nl/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15541

By the way, have you got any info on exercises at Calais? I think the A13 cruiser must have belonged to Pz.Abt. (F)100.

Gruss,

Arjan

[Arjan]

Today I found a photo album of Sturmgeschütz Batterie 666 on the internet and it also contains the pic I thought had been made in Ostend. According to the caption the pic was taken in Dunkirk ..... :

http://www.hl-barbara.de/index.php/die-garnison/wehrmacht/sturmartillerie/fotoalbum-batterie-666

This would mean that all three Flammpanzer pics I posted were taken during an exercise/ exercises in Dunkirk. It also means the caption of the Seelöwe photos in the Nuts & Bolts book is wrong.

Gruss,

Arjan

[Bergedorf]

Hallo Dirk, I think you must be right  , the dates are very close. Today I discovered a photo of a Stug that shows the same location as that of the first Flammpanzer pic I posted. If my information is correct (Nuts & Bolts 24) these photos must have been taken in Ostend. I once more posted the photo in my Stiwot thread :

http://www.stiwotforum.nl/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15541

By the way, have you got any info on exercises at Calais? I think the A13 cruiser must have belonged to Pz.Abt. (F)100.

Gruss,

Arjan

Hi Arjan,

sorry I had no time to check it yet. Hopfully I will answer you this weekend.

Regards

Dirk

[Arjan]

A silly question perhaps but what does the initial letter "V" refer to on Seelöwe barges. Could this refer to Vlissingen ? I know "A" refers to Antwerp, "B" to Boulogne, "D" to Dunkirk, "O" to Ostend etc..

Arjan

[Bergedorf]

Hi Arjan,

the letter "v" meens "Verschure & Co´s Scheepswerf en Maschinefabrik N.V., Amsterdam (vgl. DDK). Befor the Barges arrived at the "Einsatzhäfen" they had the letter of the conversion shipyard as ID.

Gruß

Dirk

[Arjan]

Thanks Dirk, I didn't know that. I assume that "EM" stands for Emden but what does "NS" refer to ?

Gruss,

Arjan

[Bergedorf]

I don´t know EM, but NS is "N.V. Nederlandsche Scheepsbouw Mij., Ansterdam.

Gruß

Dirk

[Arjan]

Thanks again Dirk  . I've got quite a few pics of barges marked EM, perhaps it's a Belgian shipbuilder. Here's a nice pic :

http://www.ebay.de/itm/BUYMUC-TOP-FOTO-ANLANDUNG-BEI-DUNKIRCHEN-31-7-15-/191749826742?hash=item2ca52e28b6:g:cT8AAOSwPcVVwQFt

Gruss,

Arjan

[Bergedorf]

Hallo Dirk, I think you must be right  , the dates are very close. Today I discovered a photo of a Stug that shows the same location as that of the first Flammpanzer pic I posted. If my information is correct (Nuts & Bolts 24) these photos must have been taken in Ostend. I once more posted the photo in my Stiwot thread :

http://www.stiwotforum.nl/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15541

By the way, have you got any info on exercises at Calais? I think the A13 cruiser must have belonged to Pz.Abt. (F)100.

Gruss,

Arjan

Hi Arjan,

I have only few notices about Calais exercises. An belonging to tanks only the notice that B- and C-Barges cant be loaded with the "Eisenbahnverladebrücke" and an exercise with an 21 to tank on 19.01.40.

Gruß

Dirk

[Arjan]

Thanks a lot for your trouble Dirk ! The second Stug pic I posted was taken in Calais (according to the seller) and a Sturmgeschütz III Ausführung A must have weighed around 20 tons . An A13 Cruiser was about 15 tons.

Gruss,

Arjan

[Arjan]

On ebay today a nice photo of an exercise involving a Stug, perhaps its location is also Calais :

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Sturmgeschutz-Abt-Stug-wird-auf-Marine-Fahre-Boot-verladen-/311539236421?hash=item48892f7e45:g:oiIAAOSwoydWr8Iv

By the way, I've posted some pics of Prähme converted by Verschure :

http://www.stiwotforum.nl/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=15559

Arjan

[Knouterer2]

Ich bin gerade über ein Paar Dokumente des A.R. 17 von mitte August 1940 gestolpert. Die zweite Abteilung wurde (nach der damaligen Planung) komplett umgegliedert und hatte dann zwei Batterien mit je vier Gebirgsgeschütze (75 mm Skoda Model 1915), eine Batterie mit acht 105 mm Nebelwerfer (Granatwerfer), und die Sturmgeschützbatterie 666 war auch (irgendwie) unterstellt.

Nach dieser Gliederung war letztgenannte Batterie bestens ausgerüstet, mit neben den 6 Stugs 9 gepanzerte Halbkettenfahrzeuge  (SdKfz 252 und 253), und auch die Zuteilung von 17 Maschinenpistolen ist für 1940 eher grosszügig.

Gleichzeitig fällt auf wie viele Pferde die Invasoren mitbringen wollten: 54 für eine Batterie mit vier leichte Geschütze (613 kg), und das war noch nicht mal alles, im 2. Staffel (Geleitzug aus Rotterdam) waren pro Batterie noch mal 7 bespannte Fahrzeuge und 30 Pferde vorgesehen, mit 46 Mann die sich darum kümmern sollten; das Regiment meldete für diese zwei Batterien einen zusätzlichen Bedarf von 60 Mann an.

[Bergedorf]

Moin Gerard,

Stand 18.09.40 war 4./AR 17 auf Gebirggeschütz umgerüstet.

Pferdeanzahl in der 1. Staffel ist nicht eindeutig bestimmbar, aber mindestens 52 Stück.

Gruß

Dirk

[Knouterer2]

Danke Dirk,
Und die 2. Staffel von den genannten Batterien, nach diesem Dokument von 15.8, vollständigkeitshalber: