July 4/5 1944

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Hi,

Colleagues,
Tell me if it was a battle and what really happened.
July 4, 1944
Action off Trouville.
The night of the 4th and early morning of the 5th brought a prolonged engagement with E-boats. Boats 459, 462, and 464 were on their usual protective patrol about the assault anchorage. Shortly after midnight, radar indicated the approach of enemy craft from Le Havre. A few minutes of stalking followed; then 'starshell' revealed a line of nine E-boats two thousand yards away, making for the anchorage. As the Canadians opened fire, the German craft broke off into the dark, one of them trailing after the other, heavily hit and ablaze. The rest were overtaken in about half an hour, and the boats of the 29th ripped in through a smoke screen to damage a second craft. Pursuit was complicated by the appearance of a German dive bomber, whose efforts inconvenienced the Canadians, but failed to encourage the disorganized E-boats to make a stand. When the chase was finally abandoned at the entrance to Le Havre, one E-boat, lost in smoke, was considered sunk, and two others had been badly damaged. This was the longest-fought coastal forces action in history. It appeared that another unit of E-boats had come down from Fecamp, and run straight into the E-boats with which the 29th had just disengaged. A terrific all-German battle ensued, and the air was filled with massive quantities of green and yellow tracer going back and forth. The E-boats were fighting each other!
Of the some 17 German E-boats in the area, three were sunk, with a possible total of four in all.
http://www.naval-museum.mb.ca/mtb/page3.htm

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[Urs Heßling]

moin,

Tell me if it was a battle and what really happened.

Ist das ein Befehl ?     ...     ... Tell me, please, klänge viel besser

July 4, 1944
Action off Trouville.

In einem Wort : Märchenstunde

ausführlicher :
Um 23:35 läuft die 2. SFltl mit 6 Booten (S 177, S 180, S 181 und zugeteilte Boote S 174, S 175 (4.) und S 167 (9.)) aus Le Havre aus und hat bei vergeblichem Versuch, nach Norden in den Ärmelkanal auszubrechen, zwischen Mitternacht und 01:00 laufende Gefechte mit MGB (und nach KTB, auch SGB) nah an der Küste nördlich von Le Havre. (BF 3667 l.o.) Ab 01:00 drastische Sichtverschlechterung, 01:27 Unternehmung abgebrochen, 02:15 Einlaufen Le Havre, keine Gefechtsschäden.

Also : kein Gefecht vor Trouville (an der Südseite der Seinemündung)

Gruß, Urs

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zwischen Mitternacht und 01:00 laufende Gefechte mit MGB (und nach KTB, auch SGB) ... keine Gefechtsschäden.

Also : kein Gefecht vor Trouville

Sagen wir lieber: keine Schlacht mit Schiffsverlusten, Toten und Verwundeten.
Gruß, Thomas

[t-geronimo]

Genau. Siehe KTB 2. Schnellbootflottille.

[Urs Heßling]

moin,

da es sich bei den Gegnern nicht um SGB gehandelt haben kann, äußere ich 'mal die Vermutung, daß man Captain-Fregatten gesichtet hat, wie z.B. die https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Trollope_%28K575%29 die in der folgenden Nacht torpediert wurde

Gruß, Urs

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Hi,

I'm sorry, colleagues, of course, it was a request!
Thanks for the help. 

Urs
The link HMS Trollope torpedoed with S-boats. It is written here (German Special Forces of World War II, - Gordon Williamson)
HMS Trollope was struck by a torpedo from a Neger piloted by Walter Gerhold.
https://books.google.com.ua/books?id=8121CwAAQBAJ&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=HMS+Trollope+damage+1944+torpedo&source=bl&ots=5dugNQr2cg&sig=_-uYCM3hoH4kOrZ5UHThGAgc-ys&hl=ru&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1zeDUs7HeAhUJlosKHRdPDcUQ6AEwCnoECAIQAQ#v=onepage&q=HMS%20Trollope%20damage%201944%20torpedo&f=false

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[Urs Heßling]

moin,

It is written here (German Special Forces of World War II, - Gordon Williamson)
HMS Trollope was struck by a torpedo from a Neger piloted by Walter Gerhold.

ich bin mir sicher, daß wir die Wahrheit, sprich: das tatsächliche Geschehen, nicht (mehr) herausfinden werden.

Gruß, Urs

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Hi,

It would be interesting to know which English ships were patrolling that night at Le Havre.

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Hi,

Colleagues,

At KTB 2. Schnellbootflottille it is written that S-boats have seen their R-boats. Maybe the English MTB fought with the R-boats and the Canadian MTB saw this fight, thinking that the S-boats are shooting at each other?

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