Schnellboote

[Urs Heßling]

moin, Ola,

2. Masch. Gefr. Gobst under the camouflage (S48?). Are the names of interest for the Crew liste in HMA?

H.z.D. = Heizer (=Maschinist) vom Dienst , für die Crewliste fehlt die Bootszugehörigkeit

3. Seemänniche Nr. 1 Bootsmaat (Goldhansen? can anyone read the name?) with a MG 34.

Der Anfangsbuchstabe scheint mir ein R zu sein

4. More S 48 crew names. Ob. Maat.... I need help.

ObMt ?rabs

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Thank again Urs,

I was reading H.z.D. as Hr. D. (Herrn Doktor) but found it highly unlikly.

What is the titel for the others on the ObMt photo 4. Maschin?? Maat, Maschin?? Gefreiter.

It looks to me that all the phots are from S 48, but it is difficult to be absolutly sure.

The last photos are from 1942 in this serie.

1. ObLtn. Mirbach is the commander for the text writer (= S 48) and a Signalgast. The text says 1942 but I think it is 1941. S 48 has not got a front wind shield and Mirbach is not Kplt. There is a photo in Baart's book that shows S 48 with a wind shield and Mirbach as Kplt (= 1 June 1942 or later).

2. The text writers boat (S 48 is the first boat) in the Boulogne bunker. Difficult to say when, S 48 was there several times in summer 1942.

3. Photo taken from S 48 (not the early two pollard on the front deck) when leaving with the 6 Sftl. When in 1942? "Cerberus" on 12 Feb? It looks like the front deck is not white any more (Yellow for Cerberus or just grey after installing the front 2 cm gun?).

4. and 5. Indienstsellung of S 117 (first boat built with a 4 cm Bofors gun) 8 Aug 1942. Note the gun in photos. Commander is ObLtn z See Bludau.

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

moin,

What is the titel for the others on the ObMt photo 4. Maschin?? Maat, Maschin?? Gefreiter.

Ich lese von oben
Ob.Maat
Masch.Maat
Masch.Gefr
Matr.Gefr.

1. ObLtn. Mirbach is the commander for the text writer (= S 48) and a Signalgast. The text says 1942 but I think it is 1941. S 48 has not got a front wind shield and Mirbach is not Kplt. There is a photo in Baart's book that shows S 48 with a wind shield and Mirbach as Kplt (= 1 June 1942 or later).

"Sommer 1942" wurde von einem anderen Schreiber später hinzugefügt.
Ja. Es könnte auch Mai 1942 sein, wenn der Schreiber es mit dem Sommeranfang (21.6.) nicht genau nahm

2. The text writers boat (S 48 is the first boat) in the Boulogne bunker. Difficult to say when, S 48 was there several times in summer 1942.

Ja, ein interessantes Foto !  Schreibfehler "Boulonge" - der Schreiber kennt sich nicht aus

3. Photo taken from S 48 (not the early two pollard on the front deck) when leaving with the 6 Sftl. When in 1942? "Cerberus" on 12 Feb? It looks like the front deck is not white any more (Yellow for Cerberus or just grey after installing the front 2 cm gun?).

Das ist nicht 6. S-Flottille, die "6" ist ein "S" (vor "-Flottilli(e)"
Ich meine, daß das Bild S 48 noch ohne Backflak zeigt
- Die Back sieht nach dem Einbau (siehe Bild) ganz anders aus
- Man sieht die aufgestellte Reling, bei den Booten mit Backflak war die Reling im Einsatz immer niedergelegt

4. and 5. Indienststellung of S 117 (first boat built with a 4 cm Bofors gun) 8 Aug 1942. Note the gun in photos. Commander is ObLtn z See Bludau.

Ja, S 117
Bludau trägt das Flotten-Kriegsabzeichen, er gehörte zur Besatzung der Admiral Graf Spee
Ein mini : nicht "Commander" (Dienstgrad), sondern "Commanding Officer" (C.O.)

Noch einmal ein großes DANKE     für das Einstellen / Teilen der Fotos

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Urs,

Yes, you are right about the S-Flottille and yes it is S 48 before the front gun was installed.

Foedrowitz's Schnellboot bunker book says the 4 SFtl was in the Boulogne bunker on 24 June 1942 for the first time.


More photos from the same Ebay seller. Now it is S 60 in the Med. First photos are with Luftwaffe guests in summer 1943 (could be in July after the big overhaul in Toulon). There is not much text on the photos.

1. Ob. Ltn. Haag with Luftwaffe officers. Note all the machine guns.

2. S 60 with two air intakes (I think they are for an air compressor. When could it have been instaled?) What are the two tubes on the Winkerstands. Flag holders?

3. Ob Ltn Haag with DKiG (He got it 3 June 1943).

4. 5. The Luftwaffe officers.

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

moin,

Foedrowitz's Schnellboot bunker book says the 4 SFtl was in the Boulogne bunker on 24 June 1942 for the first time

KTB 4. S-Fltl gibt den 4.6.1942 an (siehe Anhang)

2. S 60 with two air intakes (I think they are for an air compressor. When could it have been instaled?) What are the two tubes on the Winkerstands. Flag holders?

möglich : 16.01.1943 - 21.02.1943    Motorenüberholung in Augusta,   siehe S 60
Flaggenhalter ? Ja

3. Ob Ltn Haag with DKiG (He got it 3 June 1943).

Ja , mit kariertem Hemd unter der Uniformjacke (wie der "Alte" im "Boot"-Film), anders als die "Schlipssoldaten" der Luftwaffe mit weißem Hemd

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Urs,

I guess the KTB knows better. The bunker was built in two sections that were not ready at the same time.

1. S 60 in Viareggio after the mission on 9-10 Dec 1943 (S 153, S 156, S 157, S 158, S 57 and S 60). S 60 was with the 7 SFtl at the time. A small part of the S 60 flying fish Wappen behind the crew.

2. The S 60 crew in Viareggio on 22 Dec 1943 after laying 100 F.L.M. I assume F.L.M. is Luft Mine"F" for S-Boote (LMF/s). The S 60 had done ~20 mining missions at the time. (5 mines/mission). Could a typ S 30 boat take 6 mines? Did they only lay LMF/s? This was the last mission before being transported across Italy. Note the Bordehund.

3. LMF mine

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

1. S 60 in Viareggio after the mission on 9-10 Dec 1943 (S 153, S 156, S 157, S 158, S 57 and S 60). S 60 was with the 7 SFtl at the time. A small part of the S 60 flying fish Wappen behind the crew.

Die Minenunternehmen waren in den Nächten 8./9. und 10./11.12.1943, siehe S 57

... after laying 100 F.L.M. I assume F.L.M. is Luft Mine"F" for S-Boote (LMF/s).

Die Bedeutung von "100 F.L.M." ist mir auch unklar

The S 60 had done ~20 mining missions at the time.

von 11/1942 bis 12/1943 insgesamt 23

Could a typ S 30 boat take 6 mines? Did they only lay LMF/s?

1) Ja  2) Nein 
bei der Unternehmungen am 8./9. und 10./11.12.1943 wurden von S 57 und S 60 je 6 UMB geworfen (die Boote vom Typ S 151 warfen TMB)

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Thanks Urs,

S 60 was with the 7 Sftl and there are a few typ S 151 boat photos.

1. A typ S 151 boat with the red and white air recognition strips. 1943

2. S 156 "K" and another typ S 151 boat. 1943

3. 4. 5. 6. S 153 crossing Italy to Venice Feb-April 1944. The boat is marked "153S". There is a Hanomag tow truck and Reichbahn personal.

7. 8. Probebly winter 1944 during the crossing of Italy. Where? Are they from the S 60 crew?

[Violoncello]

Hallo Alo,

eine kurze Bemerkung zu #2032 Nr. 3-6: Es handelt sich nicht um Hanomag-Zugmaschinen, sondern Faun ZR. Hanomag SS 100 wurden m.W. bei derartigen Überlandtransporten nicht eingesetzt. In der Regel wurden Schwerlasttransporte auf "Culemeyer"-Anhängern mit Zugmaschinen des Typs Kaelble Z 6 R 2A 100 (Deutsche Reichsbahn) oder Kaelble Z 6 W 2A 130 (in der Regel der Luftwaffe) durchgeführt.

Viele Grüße

Violoncello

[Urs Heßling]

moin,

2. S 156 "K"

mit Erkennungs-Buchstaben "K" für Klaus Thomsen

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Hi all,

1. Violoncello is right . It is a FAUN ZR and now I managed to find a ph0to of a surviving one. Not the (disel?)tank on the FAUN in Italy.

2. S 60 went to the Arsenal wharf in Venice to be rebuilt (16 April 1944). The photo is bad but it is possible to see the S 60 flying fish Wappen.

3. The typ S 30 boats got a new armoured(?) wheel house with the bridge in the middle like on the type S 38 boats.

4. S 60 was up gunned to 3 singel and one twin 20 mm gun.

5. A test run was made on 15 June 1944.

6. 7. The test was probebly succesfull. It was celebrated two days later with a "Badfest" at the Collegi Navale in Venice. The statue and the flagg pole are still there. The S 60 photos are similar to a 7 SFtl album that was discussed here:   https://forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php?topic=29088.30

8. A "Schlipssoldat" on his last day off in Venice at St. Mark's square. 18 June 1944 (Sunday). There was probebly a lot of work left as the boat was not ready untill 31 July. Note the tropical boots.

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

moin,

4. S 60 was up gunned to 3 singel and one twin 20 mm gun.

wie S 33 (mit dem zusammen es bei Unie verlorenging)

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Hi Urs,

Yes, I think S 33 (1944) has a 2 cm C 38 front gun, a twin MG and a twin C 38. It has not the new armoured wheel house.

S 60 (1944) in my post has a 2 cm C38 front gun, two singel MG 151/20, twin C 38 and armoured wheelhouse.

S 61 (1945) had a 2 cm C 38 front gun, a MG 151/20 Drilling and a 3,7 cm gun.

All boats had a number of singel and twin MGs along the sides of the boats. The MG 151 was belt feed.

I only know of S 60 and S 61 with the new wheel house. Are there more?

This will be my last post on S 60. Do anyone want more? There are a lot of S 60 photos left.

/Alo

[Urs Heßling]

moin, Ola,

S 61 (1945) had a 2 cm C 38 front gun, a MG 151/20 Drilling and a 3,7 cm gun.

Im Foto ganz rechts, gut zu erkennen

This will be my last post on S 60. Do anyone want more? There are a lot of S 60 photos left.

Ja, gerne, wenn es Dir nicht zu viel Arbeit macht

Gruß, Urs

[alo41]

Hi,

Some more S 60 photos. I think it is now easy to say if it is a 1943 or 1944 photo based on the guns etc.

1. I manged to find one more location. The Vittorio Emanuele II statue in Venice (Then and now). Standard tropical uniform. Note that he has a hand gun when on leave in Venice.

2. 3. I have not managed to find this harbour. It is S 60 (based on the eating board and the nr.3 photo). I think it is in 1943. Anyone? Note the sun helmets.

4. S 60 in 1943. We can see a singel MG 151 and a singel C 38 gun. (out of sight there is a platform behind the wheelhouse with a twin MG).

5. 6. 7. S 60 in Venice arsenal 1944, Front 2 cm C 38 (1943?), the second MG 151 (note corke raft support), twin MG on the railing and twin C 38.

/Alo